GGTharos Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 I've already handed them over to interested people, including ED :) You however, I'm not giving YOU anything, because I enjoy watching you make a complete clown of yourself on these forums :) In addition, it's not worth my while to prove anything to you, since you're not capable of doing anything useful with this information. (Hint: Some of this info has already been posted on these forums ... yes, that science research. Too bad you weren't paying attention and you missed it ;) ) Let's see the list of what we have ... F-18 AMRAAM test HUD tape... F-16 combat practice with AMRAAM HUD tape Numerous dogfight HUD tapes showing AIM-9 DLZ, and some AIM-9 firings Science research on AIM-9 kinematics - ie. with actual performance graphs. R-27 DLZ graphs Ballistic projectile simulation USAF Missile Simulation Handbook Where were you when all this was getting belted out? Looks like you've been left in the dust, alone, with your eyes closed. Well, give us your "scientific documents" acquired by FOIA (!) and combat HUD tapes about AMRAAM! We both know you can't show or even own them because FBI would lock you up immediately! So stop hand us a line with some fantastic stores from X-Files. :megalol: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 Well, give us your "scientific documents" acquired by FOIA (!) and combat HUD tapes about AMRAAM! You dont have R-27 combat HUD tapes either, so where does this leaves you at? And your wrong about AMRAAM HUD tapes. .
Pilotasso Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 Roko, either you have anything at all to back you up or your the one making a fool out of yourself revealing another lost oportunity to stay STFU. :) .
GGTharos Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 I think you're the one people are laughing at Roko ... I haven't seen you provide any real information, or anything that would debunk anyone else having real information ... you're just wasting our time and bandwidth here so, since you actually have absolutely nothing useful to contribute one way or the other, how about you just go away? :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ED Team Groove Posted April 9, 2008 ED Team Posted April 9, 2008 Either this thread goes back to the topic or im forced to close it. First and last warning. Let me get this clear. Im fed up with people trying to destroy / interrupt interesting topics. You know who you are. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
ED Team Groove Posted April 11, 2008 ED Team Posted April 11, 2008 This thread will be re-opened. Keep the discussion strict on topic. 1 Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Red Hammer Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 What?! ED is gona put AIM-120D to replace the C version? What for?! I thought this game is strickly for the cold war weapons. It's not fair the westen side always get the good stuff. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Red Hammer Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 So what is the difference between AIM-120C in the real life and in the Lock on. In term of speed, which is better? In the real life or in the game? And which is better in G-load, range, jamming resistance and the way the don't get confused by the land? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 The real one is better in every respect. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Red Hammer Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 What about the B version? I mean compare with the one in the Lock on? If they don't have much difference, why don't we call the one in the lock on AIM-120B? AIM-120C is not a cold war weapon any way. But AIM-120B is. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 The AIM-120A is better in every respect than the one in Lock On. AIM-120C and AIM-120B have difference in electronics (I believe some electronics were miniaturized more), I think the fins, and software. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Teknetinium Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zSimVE5NyMw&feature=related I think they fire Aim-7s, one thing to notice thou is that one mig-23 manege to get in Aim-9 range, I think that is scary. specially if they would fight Mig-29S. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vD2KAte3Mjw&feature=related 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube
GGTharos Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 What's scary is the the MiG-23's barely got a shot off, and it didn't even guide - it was AFTER the 14's had taken one or two shots already as well. I wouldn't want to be riding on that hardware. I doubt MiG-29's would be doing a whole lot better in that era, though I suppose at least they'd have a chance - their R-73's would probably work reasonably enough to make it a fight. AIM-7's are known for their failure rate, especially if you keep thumping them with every landing. No surprise. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 If the AMRAAM ingame was faster than mach 2.5 and if radars didnt get jammed till 13 miles we would see much better PK in LOMAC. 2 bad choices for ED, easely repairable. Whatvever missile is simulated AIM-120A/B/C ingame is a moot point since what we got now is shorter ranged and slower than any of these. .
RvEYoda Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 I watched the video Tek from that F-14 vs Mig23 engagement.... Erk...They only fired at one of the migs early with aim7, and that mig23 got splashed from fairly decent range (you once tomcat driver launching the first sparrow at 13 nm and another shortly after at around 10 nm). One of these missiles hit (we aren't told witch) and splashes the bandit early. And then first missile they fire at the second guy (aim9) also hits...I think this is very good support of missiles working :) Second tomcat driver seems a bit inexperienced though, he can't seem to get his systems up and get that mig locked ;). S = SPARSE(m,n) abbreviates SPARSE([],[],[],m,n,0). This generates the ultimate sparse matrix, an m-by-n all zero matrix. - Matlab help on 'sparse'
GGTharos Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 He locked the mig, he just forgot the tone volume down ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 Theres something you guys forgot or didnt know, was that the first Sparrow was fired in TWS mode, the pilot forgot to swich to STT, and it went dead. Another thing was the rules of engagement. Clearly F-14's didnt have the decision at wich range they were going to fire since the rules of engagement stated that the migs would have vector into the Tomcats 5 times before it was considered an attack. They were only authorized to engage after that. wich was more of the choice on the migs side than the F-14's. .
RvEYoda Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 He locked the mig, he just forgot the tone volume down ;) n00b ;) S = SPARSE(m,n) abbreviates SPARSE([],[],[],m,n,0). This generates the ultimate sparse matrix, an m-by-n all zero matrix. - Matlab help on 'sparse'
nscode Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 The real one is better in every respect. Not true. It smokes more :) 1 Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
GGTharos Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 Ok ... I will concede three points. :) The real one is worse in that: 1. It smokes more 2. It takes a couple sends to launch when you pull the trigger 3. Its scan sector is not atrociously large 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 If the AMRAAM ingame was faster than mach 2.5 and if radars didnt get jammed till 13 miles we would see much better PK in LOMAC. 2 bad choices for ED, easely repairable. I think we've seen where quick fixes get us Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
GGTharos Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 Well, the speed thing -is- a quick fix and it is reasonable, however ... there are a lot of other things that could/should get fixed that might not be so quick. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 I know I would get kills the exact same way I do now. The only difference is that I wouldnt have to spend 8 missiles on 1 target (many times come out empty). People dont have to be scared by any fixes, in 1.02 it was far more deadly. And there was a bug in the F-15 radar that allowed to track your targets past the FOV. I remenber multi kills were easy and quite frequent then. 1 .
GGTharos Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 If anyone is interested, a comparative AIM-120B v R-27ER 'shot' at the following parameters: 10000m target and shooter, head-on, no maneuvering. Shooter is at M 0.9, target at 0.8 The R-27ER has an approximate 4km range advantage on the AIM-120B. Minizap is not perfect: It uses the R-27R's drag coefficients for all missiles (though the drag SURFACES change with each missile) and as such this may result in slightly different ranges than what is realistic for those missiles - ie. AMRAAM is more 'slippery' than an R-27R (smaller fins), the R-27ER might be very similar or only slightly less draggy, but as a comparative simulation, a pure ballistic Rmax shot gives the R-27ER a 4km advantage. The AMRAAMs' active seeker takes it all away by allowing the launching aircraft to disengage. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RedTiger Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 Theres something you guys forgot or didnt know, was that the first Sparrow was fired in TWS mode, the pilot forgot to swich to STT, and it went dead. Another thing was the rules of engagement. Clearly F-14's didnt have the decision at wich range they were going to fire since the rules of engagement stated that the migs would have vector into the Tomcats 5 times before it was considered an attack. They were only authorized to engage after that. wich was more of the choice on the migs side than the F-14's. When I listen to that recording I'm amazed at the F-14 pilot's discipline. He announces every time those MiGs turn back towards intercept and then calmly launches his weapons when he's allowed to. You can hear the adrenaline in his voice to be sure, but he really keeps his cool very well. I've heard that those MiG pilots were left for dead and were never found. Did anyone ever find out why they went aggresive like that?
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