Would love a BF 109 G model

[Maetharin]

Would be pretty cool to see a 109 variant that was actually flown in significant numbers during the portrayed timeframe.

I.e. G6, G14, G10.

 

IMO the smartest move would be to release a BF109 G module with a baseline 1944 G6, so a version with a DB605A, MG131 and MG151/20, Erlaa Haube, Galland Panzer and the taller vertical stabiliser as standard,

with options to add MG151/20 Gondolas, the MK108, DB605AM, DB605 AS with corresponding engine cowling, DB605 ASM with corresponding engine cowling and DB605DB/DC engine with the corresponding larger oil cooler and engine cowling.

 

This would enable us to fly a wide variety of historically accurate scenarios over a wide timeframe, as the G6 was the baseline for basically any subsequent non-K 109 variant.

It could serve as the G6, G6/AS, G14, G14/AS and G10.

[TotenDead]

Разумно было начинать с битвы за британию и постепенно вводить новые мессершмитты. Но нам дали сразу самый лучший, так что о хороших продажах более ранних версий можно забыть. А коли можно забыть о продажах, то и самолет делать никто не станет - не выгодно

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

Разумно было начинать с битвы за британию и постепенно вводить новые мессершмитты. Но нам дали сразу самый лучший, так что о хороших продажах более ранних версий можно забыть. А коли можно забыть о продажах, то и самолет делать никто не станет - не выгодно

 

I agree with that in a sense WW2 lacks a lot of supporting assets and its best to work from May of '45 backwards to increase overlap

[Maetharin]

Разумно было начинать с битвы за британию и постепенно вводить новые мессершмитты. Но нам дали сразу самый лучший, так что о хороших продажах более ранних версий можно забыть. А коли можно забыть о продажах, то и самолет делать никто не станет - не выгодно

 

I really hope I did not misunderstood this, but I do think that with an appropriate G-model 109 people will buy it, just like people have bought the FW 190 A8 when there´s the better Fw 190-D9 available.

Especially once one considers that the G-10 is essentially a K4 with an external tailwheel and no wheeldoor covers.

The G14/AS is a G10 with a slightly weaker engine. The G14 is slightly faster at low altitudes but slower on higher altitudes than the /AS variant.

The G6 and/or the G6/AS variants are what the average German pilot flew during D-Day.

 

Giving the player the flexibility to actually play the way they want to, with little downside.

If we take the approximate estimates from Messerschmitt in their Leistungzusammenstellung Me 109 G from the 14.1.44,

it says on Page 21-22 that the "Erhöhter ausgefahrener Sporn" (higher extended [tailwheel] strut) causes a loss of about 17 kph in top speed,

whereas the "Fahrwerk Restabdeckung" (literally: cover of remaining landing gear; i.e. wheeldoor covers) causes about +10kph in speed.

 

Applying these to the K4 top speed of 595-608 kph at SL (depending on 605DB or 605 DC engine was used) means a top speed at SL of about 568-581 for the G10 (again depending on the engine that´s used).

This compares favourably to the P51D´s 365 mph (589 kph?) at SL.

 

The customer would have more options than with the K4, be competitive in the current game meta and have the flexibility to fly in actually historically accurate scenarios.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Maetharin

[TotenDead]

I really hope I did not misunderstood this, but I do think that with an appropriate G-model 109 people will buy it, just like people have bought the FW 190 A8 when there´s the better Fw 190-D9 available.

 

Конечно кто-то купил 190А8, но на серверах их практически нет. Это говорит о многом

[Maetharin]

 

Конечно кто-то купил 190А8, но на серверах их практически нет. Это говорит о многом

 

My argument was that a proper BF 109-G series, as outlined in the rest of my comment which you have yet to answer to, would have more chance at being bought than the FW 190 A8.

It can be used in any scenario from late 1943 onwards, with performance easily comparable to the Mustang.

[TotenDead]

I was just referring to the fact that people are less eager to buy inferior versions of planes. And even though your statement that 109Gs would open a vast amount of opportunities in terms of recreating historical events or just making non-44/45 year missions is correct, the fact is - most would want to fly a superior version, kurfurst, and firstly buy it and only after that question themselves whether they really need an interesting but a bit less capable aircraft and does this additional less capable plane really cost the money.

 

Don't get me wrong, most of DCS players would love to have an extra 109. But not for another 30 bucks

 

"Especially once one considers that the G-10 is essentially a K4 with an external tailwheel and no wheeldoor covers."

 

And a different, larger wing

 

"The G14/AS is a G10 with a slightly weaker engine. The G14 is slightly faster at low altitudes but slower on higher altitudes than the /AS variant.

The G6 and/or the G6/AS variants are what the average German pilot flew during D-Day."

 

Well, these are 5 planes, not just 1 "G";)

[LittleMadz77]

I would by a G6 immediately!!!! But i'm not very optimistic about it. Unfortunately...

 

Bye

 

Maurizio

[Baco]

form Airquake point of view yes it makes no sense, but for historical flight simmers, yes any and all Bf-109´s.

I would prefer an E or an F tho...

[rkk01]

Hhmmm, a Gustav might fit the DCS WW2 era / plane set, but I was reading some fairly unflattering commentary from z as former Luftwaffe pilot recently... I got the impression it as regarded as a bit of a dog, especially after the Freidrich 

(accepting there were many G variants...)

[lmp]

On 10/22/2020 at 8:28 PM, TotenDead said:

I was just referring to the fact that people are less eager to buy inferior versions of planes.

On the flip side, if ED started with the less capable variants, they would be accused of forcing people to spend money to stay competitive. It's a no win scenario.