AnzacPT Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 this may not be the biggest issue in the world but.... it should be sooooo simple to solve... that it is amazing that months have come by and it´s still not solved. it is discussed in detail here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=49610606&m=294106451 and here are the important parts of that thread: faasie posted Sat January 17 2004 07:21 When you patch the game you are only able to fly with a joystick, because the arrowkeys are only useable for trimming, I do not like this. I have a crappy joystick and I love playing with arrow keys. Online I shoot down guys that are using joysticks and I do not feel handicapped by using arrow keys... so why did they pull it out of the game?? And I want it back on, I'm not going to buy a new joystick so I'm forced to sell the game to someone else when they don't put it back in. ----------------- ***** --------------------- AnzacPT posted Sun December 26 2004 17:38 he is right... it´s a known bug that came out with 1.02... don´t like it either... 1st - i personally travel with the computer a lot, so i may not have the joystick with me... 2nd - it WAS working before 1.02 and it´s such a small correction that i don´t think that it´s not possible to use it again... 3rd - not everyone has or likes using a joystick... a lot of people playing LOMAC from scratch will become confused why the controls don´t work and not knowing that it´s a bug will leave the game. i´ve warned several begginers already... i´ve only bought my HOTAS after playing LOMAC... had i tried LOMAC after 1.02 came out and didn´t know what was happening, i would very probably ditch the game forever... this is a serious question on a matter that can be EASILY fixed. a small patch like the SFP1 F4J hotfix would do it... Posts: 430 | Registered: Mon June 07 2004 END QUOTE. thank you for your attention.
Skywall23 Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 Maybe a LUA script could correct the issue?
Dmut Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 AnzacPT, it's not a bug. it's "by design" from old Flanker's days. "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." Sun Tzu [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic2354_5.gif[/sigpic]
AnzacPT Posted December 27, 2004 Author Posted December 27, 2004 hummmmm... not wanting to start an argument here, even more because i haven´t played Flanker... however, BEFORE 1.02 the arrow keys were used to control the AC. it was even stated in the manual and nowhere it was said that it was mandatory to have a joystick to play the game. the trim control was something like CTRL+arrow key if i am not mistaken... on Ubisoft´s Lock On Forum, at the time of 1.02 release, this was discussed and it was recognized as a bug. i don´t know how flanker worked but i find it very strange to have the pitch keys working as trim and the roll keys not. on 1.02, if you don´t have a joystick, LOMAC is unplayable. not pretty...
GGTharos Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 You can get one of those cyborg sticks that fold up ... flying with the kb sucks anyway. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
AnzacPT Posted December 27, 2004 Author Posted December 27, 2004 that is not the point... it may suck to you, but others may not think that way.... right? each person is entitled to it´s own opinion... IMO... it´s not like i´m asking for something to be ADDED to the sim... just a small correction... after all, when launched, it was working... right? should not be that hard to correct it... and IF, one day, you´re caught without your joystick, for whatever reason, you´ll be glad that you can play LOMAC with the keys...
GGTharos Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 If I'm caught without a joystick I'm simply not playing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
AnzacPT Posted December 27, 2004 Author Posted December 27, 2004 If I'm caught without a joystick I'm simply not playing. fair enough... it´s your call... can´t argue with that... however, if one day i have to send my Cougar to warranty service or to be modded, the only game i won´t play is going to be LOMAC... also, if i happen to take the computer with me to play LAN games with friends, LOMAC is also not gonna happen...
GGTharos Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 I understand. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Dmut Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 AnzacPT, better to say it was a bug before 1.02, and many virtual pilots, who has much experiance with Flanker, asking ED to return old good known keyboard behaviour. As for joystick - you really don't want to buy one, you might want to check a mouse-to-joy software, some people flying with it, when they can not use a joystick. at work, for example :) ps: hey, you have cougar so why you asking all that staff? When I fly with my cougar I don't even think about a keyboard :) "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." Sun Tzu [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic2354_5.gif[/sigpic]
AnzacPT Posted December 27, 2004 Author Posted December 27, 2004 AnzacPT, better to say it was a bug before 1.02, and many virtual pilots, who has much experiance with Flanker, asking ED to return old good known keyboard behaviour. As for joystick - you really don't want to buy one, you might want to check a mouse-to-joy software, some people flying with it, when they can not use a joystick. at work, for example :) ps: hey, you have cougar so why you asking all that staff? When I fly with my cougar I don't even think about a keyboard :) The LOMAC Documentation clearly states that the arrow keys are used to control the AC. how can it be considered a bug before 1.02 then? again i admit i never played Flanker, but still i find it odd that only the pitch keys are working as trim keys and the roll keys are not... very, very odd... also even though in the Readme file that came with 1.02 patch there was mention that the ENTER key was now used to fire missiles and the SPACEBAR for cannon (or vice-versa) and there was no mention that the pitch keys were now used as trim keys. and nowhere in Ubisoft´s forum i have seen requests to make it "like Flanker"... on the contrary, i´ve seen requests for this issue to be corrected. on the past weeks i´ve noticed that there quite a few people that just got LOMAC on the forums... (UBI´s forums) and i had already told to several that either they stay with 1.00 or they have to buy a joystick... nothing wrong with having to buy a joystick... the problem is... if they are not warned about this... that they CANNOT use the keyboard to play at all... they might be confused and ditch the game... i know i would...
Dmut Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 if they are not warned about this... that they CANNOT use the keyboard to play at all... they might be confused and ditch the game... why do you think so? I know people who extremely good in flying with keybord, but only in current setup, where pitch works as trimming. "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." Sun Tzu [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic2354_5.gif[/sigpic]
AnzacPT Posted December 27, 2004 Author Posted December 27, 2004 if they are not warned about this... that they CANNOT use the keyboard to play at all... they might be confused and ditch the game... why do you think so? I know people who extremely good in flying with keybord, but only in current setup, where pitch works as trimming. i think so... because the LOMAC documentation leads one to be mistaken... new people to the game WILL be confused... i´ve seen it happen... anyway... i just posted this because i though it was such a small correction that it might be made with or without FC 1.1 with a small "hotfix"... but i´m not willing to make an argument out of this... what is reasonable to me may not be to others... so... if there´s no interest, i´ll drop the subject...
Dmut Posted December 28, 2004 Posted December 28, 2004 Well, may be you right AnzacPT. At this moment (1.02) we have 2 slots in controls options about trimming pitch - "Trim UP & DOWN", and "Nose UP & DOWN", both works as pitch trimming, but "Nose UP & DOWN" has a bigger step. "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." Sun Tzu [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic2354_5.gif[/sigpic]
AnzacPT Posted December 28, 2004 Author Posted December 28, 2004 Thank you, Dmut for having the trouble to check... that what i was talking about... :D Thank you again...
ED Team Chizh Posted December 30, 2004 ED Team Posted December 30, 2004 To AnzacPT Dmut has answered correctly. We have entered the key-arrows pitch control in trim style a specially. Our old fans asked about it which love such style of key pitch control since Flanker 1 time. I think that so it is more convenient. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу
AnzacPT Posted December 30, 2004 Author Posted December 30, 2004 subject is clear then. pardon my confusion. there was nothing on the 1.02 mentioning this. i´ll drop the subject then, with only a small suggestion: maybe in 1.1 FC can this be made an option? so that it can be choosed to be "on" or "off"... Thank you for everyone´s attention and to all that took the trouble to reply me. i´ll finish by saying why i tried so hard to point this out... it is not usual for a gamer in Portugal to have a Joystick unless he his already a simmer. trying to show lomac to my friends to see if they would buy also and having to buy a joystick to see if they liked the game was hard. but point well taken and subject dropped.
Dmut Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Hello Chizh, I'll try to explain. As for me, if I even will be forced to fly on keyboard, I'll choose a current 1.02 setup, when PITCH axis works as trimming, but player must have a choice. At this time we have a kind of issue in LO - we have both TRIM-type axis and "autoreturn"-type axis for YAW and ROLL, and player can choose what he want to use. But we don't have a "autoreturn"-type axis for PITCH, but 2 TRIM-type axis. So it will be good for some virtual pilots, if ED will make this configurable. "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." Sun Tzu [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic2354_5.gif[/sigpic]
AnzacPT Posted January 4, 2005 Author Posted January 4, 2005 and i am sure it can´t be that hard to make work both ways... :)
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