GGTharos Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 I'm pretty sure this is a result of him using the rudder. Directional stability probably decreases a bit at lower speeds. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Vekkinho Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Certainly not on rail: Remove all deadzones and curves from your joystick profile and try HFFM. You'll see similar HUD tapes! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 I'm pretty sure this is a result of him using the rudder. Directional stability probably decreases a bit at lower speeds. Yeah, but just like in Falcon real F-16 pilots always dip the wing instead of using the rudder during crosswind finals! Such a huge area of rudder surface but not very useful! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Kosmo Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 I would have to say that your sources at GF are not F-16 pilots I never said my sources where from GF, I said real Viper drivers. Anyway I'm gonna stop responding now since this could go on forever without anyone convincing anyone of anything.
mikoyan Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Hi Kosmo, nice to see U M8! I know the answer to my Q pretty damn well but what's the point in comparing DCS to F-3. And it's a 3!!! So why Falcon 3 when there's OF4.5 with HFFM, fully clickable cockpit and improved realism in general systems and electronics! If we're already to compare it I think that DCS reminds more of a Falcon4 than Falcon3! Plus there's other simulators that people didn't bother trying because of their complexity. Some of these lack "blow shit up" capability simply 'cause they're far from any arcadish setup of difficulty, invunerability, unlimited ammo and fuel. Few years ago I worked with SOKO Z.I. We were developing MiG-21bis addon for FS2004 that was published by Lago Sim. We had consultants if form of technitians that work with this bird daily, pilots flying it etc. I'm not advertising this product but let me tell you we received praises for the work done. Although animated and clickable cockpit, reallistic performance but have in mind it's a still a PC application and plane is flown from your bedroom! You won't have a goosebumps nor You'll smell a kerosene when you firewall your throttle but all Croatian Airforce pilots that fly Fishbeds of this type were satisfied with the products and say it's a pretty damn close! People look for realism but they get tired during training syllabus and go arcade. But remember, realistic simulator is the one that kills you when you crash and such can't be found in local stores! were can I get it ?
mikoyan Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Part of the problem is that we don't have a joystick the reproduces the real tick behavior. except those fancy moded sticks that some falcon users have.
SUBS17 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Yeah thats the other side of the problem the real F-16s stick uses pressure which is part of the reason why in Falcon as people sometimes say that it appears to be on rails. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) Yeah thats the other side of the problem the real F-16s stick uses pressure which is part of the reason why in Falcon as people sometimes say that it appears to be on rails. Me doesnt think so. The entire problem of feeling it in rails has to do with the code rather than the hadware. Falconeers always "run away" from the fact the SIM has been made with the FM based on 2D chart data interpolation points. Its not enough to emulate flight and flight dynamic effects go missing. The biggest simptom of this is that stalls are scripted, low speed handling takes a huge toll also because the real plane is much more responsive when landing for example. The principal missing efect is boundary layer. Its not modeled and thats why the plane feels so artificial in regimes where this effect kicks in, and then FM in F4 diverges from the real thing. Edited August 5, 2008 by Pilotasso 1 .
SUBS17 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 But still its departure modelling although scripted is quite unique for a sim not many sims have modelled that in the past. I don't think its FM is quite that bad for the age of the sim so its again kicking the dead horse. Its not so much a matter of incorrectly modeled but more that its an old sim that didn't have those features in it. Try comparing it to the other sims released back then and you would find they were all quite similar although I'd rate Falcon as being a bit ahead in some areas. Certainly will be interesting flying a next generation F-16 sim I hope ED models IFF.:thumbup: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 were can I get it ? If you're asking for MiG-21bis addon by SOKO Z.I. check your PM Inbox! Like I said I'm not advertising this product so I won't post links in public! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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