Flyby Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 no worries not a problem, H-E. I agree that they should. It seems they've left the cooperation bit to using either OpenGL or Direct x graphic implementations. Maybe that's why some, sadly, some games perform better on Nvidia cards, and some perform better on ATi cards? Can't they just all get along?:megalol: Anyway, I hope the Hydra implementation will be at least somewhat backwards compatible at least for a couple of generations of mobos. Hate to have to buy all new stuff again (but that's what we do anyway!). Flyby out BTW Stealth, got a link to this new Bulldozer tech? The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
TheMoose Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Kind of makes you wounder:smilewink: A recent major class action lawsuit that was brought against both Nvidia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia and ATI for conspiring to fix, raise, maintain and stabilize prices of graphics processing chips and cards may soon be coming to a resolution. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-ATI-lawsuit-antitrust,6421.html Antec 900 gaming tower, PSU: Corsair 750W, Q6600, Asus P5K, 8Gig Mushkin, Nvidia eVGA 280 GTX Superclocked 1G DDR3, SSDNOW200 Kingston Drive, TrackIr 3000+Vector, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick, Saitek rudder pedals pro, Sharp 42" inch LCD Aquo. OS: windows 7 64bit.
stealthtemplates Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Hey, heres a few links to Bulldozer: http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/amd-plots-16-core-super-cpu-for-2009-146488 http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTM2NywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
Flyby Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 i hear... Kind of makes you wounder:smilewink: A recent major class action lawsuit that was brought against both Nvidia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia and ATI for conspiring to fix, raise, maintain and stabilize prices of graphics processing chips and cards may soon be coming to a resolution. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-ATI-lawsuit-antitrust,6421.html that both ATi and Nvidia has settled those price-fixing lawsuits, and will give up some cash: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/30/nvidia-settles-two-gpu-price now on with the show! New Nvidia GPUs due out in 2nd qtr/09 40nm http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9688&Itemid=1 We'll see.;) Flyby out The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
Acedy Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Yet another review about the HD4870 1GB: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/10/06/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4870-1gb/1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *** SERVMAN SERVER MANAGEMENT MOD V2 FOR DCS:BS V1.0.1 *** *** VERSION FOR FC2 ***
Flyby Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 good find! that's a great article,one of the best I've read about the 4870-1gb card. thanks for posting the link!:thumbup: The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
Fodder Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Here is a review about the Palit design of the 1gb 4870. A different, more powerful cooler and the structure of the card itself is different as well and it has an overclock button. Like that matters :P The same model is produced by Palit, Xpertvision and Gainward: http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=778
Flyby Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 rgrt Fodder... another good review BUT! It's really hard to select a card when you view such tests. The thing that really bunches my shorts is seeing how cards jockey back and forth for the top slots depending on the game being tested. Crysis seems to favor Nvidia cards generally speaking though at the highest resolutions 2GPUs with 1 or more ghz of memory seem to surge ahead (mostly). OK maybe bad example, but cards with different architectures, all else being equal, seem to trade on the performance lead. It's obvious that it would be best to select the card that performs best on the games that you play. But what if you're trying to put together a system in advance of a sim that's not out yet? Well, good thing most combat flight sims are cpu-bound. So far a good dual core at 3.0ghz seems to be a good starting point. All the better if that cpu can be oc'd to 3.6ghz. Modern gpus seem to have the ballz to render most games at decent rates, being only limited by memory speed (especially important at higher resolutions). Well that's how I see it. But you guys straighten me out where needed. OK?:smartass: Flyby out PS I'd like to run Oleg's Storm of War_BoB with lots of eye candy, and really decent fps (like a minimum of 28fps). I know. "Dream on, Flyby". :P Imagine trying to get decent frame rates in Black Shark with all the goodies maxed out! The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
Fodder Posted October 13, 2008 Posted October 13, 2008 I had the 1Gb 4870 for a couple of days and I have to say... I'm going back to nvidia :P The FPS were better in the ATI card in crysis and Hell's highway, but then at a certain level in the hells highway, it would just start bugging because of bad drivers or something. Changed to the 8.10 and same thing + freeze. And just don't like the catalyst control center either. Somehow just too.. something. Not complicated but something that just doesn't feel right. Maybe they're too red and the bad layout, I don't know :D But maybe all of those could have been sorted out eventually, but the main thing is that I get worse fps with triplescreen in SoftTH with the HD4870 than the 8800GTS 512. So for one screen and if you like to tinker with drivers all day long instead of gaming, then go for ati. But for simplicity and multimonitor go nvidia. @ 1920x1200 resolution it really doesn't matter.
stealthtemplates Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Thats only your opinion, I wouldnt recommend that to anyone else. No matter what company your going to run into problems, completely random. I personally have never ever had an issue with an ATI card before, but have with Nvidia ones, many times actually. I'm sure your problems could have easily been fixed, but judging by your post you havnt even bothered
Fodder Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Yes the driver problems could have been fixed for sure, but like I said, the main reason was that I play with three monitors and a big resolution (5760x1200) and that problem can't be fixed. The drop in rFactor was something like 12fps with the ati card and I couldn't even bother trying lockon. Would have been unplayable. And I only had it for a couple of days so no big tweaking sessions were possible and I really didn't even want to start that all over again. And no matter what I would have done, it still wouldn't have solved the main problem. I really did want this card but it wasn't just acceptable for my use. I've had ATI cards before with no problems but I didn't play simulators back then with multiple monitors either. No Nvidia fanbois here :v:
stealthtemplates Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Have you tried an Nvidia card on your PC to see how it handles instead?
Fodder Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Yeah the 8800GTS handles things better. And you can look at here for some bandwidth results and maybe test for yourself: http://www.kegetys.net/forum/index.php?topic=427.0 You don't need 3 monitors to test the bandwidth of the card either It does boost the System memory to video memory, but as you can see from the tests a couple of people have done, it just doesn't cut it for the video memory to system memory. Here's a snippet of my result comparison with the GTS 512 and 4870 1gb: This is the 8800GTS 512mb Adapter 0 (\\.\DISPLAY1): NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 VM to SM (Download): 1549.63 MB/s SM to VM (Upload): 2082.90 MB/s ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this is the exact same computer but only the GPU is HD4870 Adapter 0 (\\.\DISPLAY3): ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series VM to SM (Download): 818.48 MB/s SM to VM (Upload): 2185.40 MB/s You can find more small tests I tried with bandwidth and memory settings under the name Cunha. They're all there The effect was to rFactor that at the highest resolution I got 36fps when with the 8800 I had 48fps on the same track and car (Gp79 and Montreal.) Didn't record anything though. Also there seems to be a problem with the Matrox Triplehead2Go and ATI at the highest supported resolution (5040x1050): http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14480 There are some more stuff in the racing sim forums somewhere but couldn't find them Edited October 14, 2008 by Fodder
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