14 unable to track 16s on radar

[Kula66]

Just doing some testing in MP to confirm what bandits can see 54 launches, and something else cropped up: I was in a 14, with Jester at 40k' and I had a 16 on my nose, co-alt. I could see it using D/L, but not on RWS or TWS ... not at all, even when I could see it visually. I could see my 54s on radar as they launched and climbed away, sometimes as high as 70k'. I didn't alter the radar elevation, or anything else.

I was flying a TACT mission; the only change was to allow external views and F10.

Anyone else seeing this?

Edited June 18, 2021 by Kula66

[ShinyMikey]

The 16 was possibly in the notch...had you adjusted your radar manually up or down and not reset it to auto elevation and azimuth?

[Kula66]

Nope, we were flying head on at each other (testing) ... and again, no, I never play with the radar elevation.

[BreaKKer]

Your closure rate was probably so high that the aspect switch was required to get the contact on the DDD

[Kula66]

Not something I've ever used (I only ever fly with Jester) ... is that a new 'feature'?  I think it unlikely ... I've not had the issue before, and we were both at M1.0ish, all very standard stuff.

 

I then jumped onto GS and couldn't reproduce it.

 

I know this 'report' is not enough to go on, so I guess it was just one of those things.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Kula66

[IronMike]

11 hours ago, Kula66 said:

I know this 'report' is not enough to go on, so I guess it was just one of those things.

 

 

Likely, but if you spot it again, please let us know. Thank you.

[Kula66]

Ok, happened again on a different server and different test mission. I was flying toward a 16 and 18 and firing 54s (I had to mad dog them, hence the switch is up) to see if he could track them. I could see my 54s on TID in RWS, but not either of the bandits. We were roughly co-alt at ranges from 80 miles.

 

I appreciate that you won't be able to see anything from the TID view! RWS or TWS didn't make a difference.

 

UPDATE: For info, it was happening to another 14 player before I joined.

 

Edited June 19, 2021 by Kula66

[Kula66]

This has no basis in evidence, but could this entry in the change log have any impact 'Fixed RIO aspect switch affecting only DDD, it now affects target tracking, too.'

[ReqoTizxR]

I have the same issue. Doesn't matter what I do in regards to radar, I cant lock anything through TWS or RWS despite seeing contacts on D/L

[Kula66]

Were the targets closing you with a combined closure of 1200+kts (eg. head on) and do you fly with Jester or RIO?

[ReqoTizxR]

Jester and closure may have been high, I'm honestly not sure. I'm typically at M1.4 ish before missile launch (a little fast I imagine) at 30k+ ft

 

However, I have had this issue flying at M0.9+. Unsure on target speed unfortunately. 

Edited June 19, 2021 by ReqoTizxR

[Kula66]

Awaiting a response from HB, but this may be related to a recent change 'Fixed RIO aspect switch affecting only DDD, it now affects target tracking, too.'

[ReqoTizxR]

Jumped into the instant BVR mission and as soon as I go over 1000kn closure, I lose the targets on the TID.

 

This was occurring even when I was at M0.8-0.9

Edited June 19, 2021 by ReqoTizxR

[15Pops]

We can confirm this as well. But, it seems to be 1200 knots. Anything more than 1200knots closure speed, there's no radar return in TWS, once slowed down to below 1200, the return is back. Tested with an air started F14B, human RIO, opponent was human F16, but it's the same with an F18 as well. Attaching the track files of both the pilot and RIO. PS: This happens only with TWS. Pulse works fine.

Pilot.trk RIO.trk

Edited June 19, 2021 by 15Pops

[Alphabet_Ghost]

8小时前,Kula66说:

Awaiting a response from HB, but this may be related to a recent change 'Fixed RIO aspect switch affecting only DDD, it now affects target tracking, too.'

Correct, aspect switch will impact target track. HB tester here.

Edited June 20, 2021 by Alphabet_Ghost

[IronMike]

Tracked. We need to teach Jester some clickedy-click. Menu commands are unfortunately a PITA, but if it takes longer, we might set the TA switch to head on as default, which gives 1800kts.

PS: there is no lock in either TWS nor RWS.

[captain_dalan]

I kind of reported this a while back in form of a question if too much closure is a bad thing, as i noticed during some Instant Action missions, that i lose tracks when i fire missiles with too closure rates being too high (like scrambles and intercepts), which resulted in me dropping to high subsonic during most missile shots.