Mi-24P - No CCIP with S-24B rockets.

[Branli]

I tried to do CCIP with S-24B rockets, but it seems the CCIP won't work. Is this intended behavior that the rocket mount cant pitch its angle and that the CCIP won't work? I've put the ranging on Auto. It works fine when you use the S8-KOM rocketpod.

[Northstar98]

AFAIK this is accurate, CCIP is only available for the 30 mm cannon, S-5 and S-8 rockets and the GUV-8700 pods, all other weapons (including the S-13 and S-24 rockets) are manually aimed, at least according to this video.

Edited November 16, 2021 by Northstar98

[AeriaGloria]

Use the aiming tables, auto ranging still works over flat ground with S-24

[AeriaGloria]

I don’t look let the horizontal to 10 degrees ones, a lot can change in those ten degrees.

 

for horizontal flight use the straight horizontal ones, use a triangle calculator to find out what AGL is required for the pipper depression necessary to cover the target at the necessary range. That way if you fly at the right altitude and level just wait until the pipper covers the target and fire 

[Avimimus]

A trick though - one can switch between rockets and gunpods to make the CCIP appear briefly. It won't be accurate (as the ballistic settings are all wrong)... but I find it helps cue me to things like side-slip. I then switch back to the rockets and fire!

[Branli]

I have to say, aiming the S-24B is pretty hard, especially because the velocity of the rocket is very low and there is a small delay when the rocket will be released. I'm glad you guys found tables for this. Its almost as hard as aiming rockets from a WWII plane.

[schurem]

Funny, from a Flaming Cliffs jet those rockets are superbly accurate..

[AeriaGloria]

7 hours ago, schurem said:

Funny, from a Flaming Cliffs jet those rockets are superbly accurate..

They have laser ranges CCIP we have to use manual tables with not even the AOA/side slip correction given by the air data sensor. And the automatic ranging we do have to use for the tables depends on flat ground, less the 15 degrees pitch or roll, and only looks at where boresight is pointing and not where the missile actually lands! 

[Avimimus]

On 11/21/2021 at 8:23 AM, Branli said:

I have to say, aiming the S-24B is pretty hard, especially because the velocity of the rocket is very low and there is a small delay when the rocket will be released. I'm glad you guys found tables for this. Its almost as hard as aiming rockets from a WWII plane.

I made a mod to fire them from the Mi-8 - and I got pretty good at it - practice helps... firing rockets from helicopters though ...is complex.

[Branli]

On 11/22/2021 at 12:33 PM, schurem said:

Funny, from a Flaming Cliffs jet those rockets are superbly accurate..

Probably because a fixed wings inherit velocity will help, also its easier to maintain a proper AoA to fire rockets in a fixed wing. In a helicopter you mostly stay at the same altitude and your pitch angle is only between 10 - 20 degrees so you have less time to aim.

[Avimimus]

On 11/27/2021 at 2:15 PM, Branli said:

Probably because a fixed wings inherit velocity will help, also its easier to maintain a proper AoA to fire rockets in a fixed wing. In a helicopter you mostly stay at the same altitude and your pitch angle is only between 10 - 20 degrees so you have less time to aim.

Yes, I gather that - rockets receive velocity from the launch aircraft (so they spin up faster) and they also aren't flying through rotor wash. I remember reading somewhere that the same rocket fired from a helicopter can have something like three times the dispersion it would have if fired from a jet.

That said, the S-24 has an advantage in that its high mass would make it less effected by rotor wash, and its angled rocket engines would help it spin up a bit faster... so the effect should be less - but it should still be there.