correct as is Enemy missiles in flight on TWS

[Eagle7907]

I am now seeing enemy missiles in flight shot from AI aircraft displayed on radar in TWS only. Track here
 
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Edited November 17, 2021 by Eagle7907
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[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

this is correct as is, missiles have RCS values and can be detected by radar. 

thanks

[Eagle7907]

Hi, 
this is correct as is, missiles have RCS values and can be detected by radar. 
thanks

Oh thanks. I must’ve missed this being mentioned on a change log. Does this happen to interfere with TWS automatic function? I can’t really tell a difference.


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[wilbur81]

11 hours ago, Eagle7907 said:

Does this happen to interfere with TWS automatic function? 

Yes, it definitely does... and strangely, this has been marked as a "Reported" bug in other threads.

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/280822-radar-locking-own-fox-1/#comment-4761972

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/274351-can-easily-detect-and-lock-missiles-with-radar-also-shoot-them-down/#comment-4694978

Any object is going to have an RCS, but the question is: 'is the APG73 not capable of filtering out a tiny and fast (by comparison to the fighters in the area) missile?" If you have a scenario in which there are three bandits in front of you and your flight that you want to L & S 'step' through and fire at, that priority-stepping will be interrupted as the radar will suddenly start stepping through your own missiles that you've fired (or theirs)... screwing up your radar BIG time if you're in AUTO mode. It is also odd that the TWS priorities will drop a priority 1 or 2 track (that are both fighter-sized jets) in order to look at a missile that's been fired by you, someone in your flight, or an enemy missile.... thus making that missile a higher priority track.

Again, no one is arguing that a physical metal object doesn't have an RCS... the question is whether or not your radar has the capacity to filter out an RCS like a missile when it comes to TWS. A big cloud of chaff can fool the tiny little radar in a missile, but your TWS mode isn't going to create a track for that. I wouldn't think the -73 would create an actual track file for a small missile going at great speed, even if a hit was created momentarily.

Maybe this is a very real-world problem that is never experienced by pilots because 99.99% of all A-A combat flying is training and there aren't real missiles in the air?

Edited November 19, 2021 by wilbur81

[Eagle7907]

Oh great. /s Thanks for the input. I had a feeling this was a bit odd especially since it severely was causing the radar to be overwhelmed in a BVR engagement. I couldn’t tell if my bandit was high or low and then, explosion. Grrrrr….


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[Cathnan]

I'm not really familiar with what a radar can detect and what not. But those missiles seem to be 10 to 15 miles out. With most fighters not being detectable much beyond 40 miles at that aspect, is it plausible for missiles at that distance to be detected? That's an honest question because I have no clue. Just feels a bit odd considering how much bigger a plane is.