"Official" F-4E Livery Discussion

[SunDown]

Have anyone seen any Seymour Johnson F-4 liveries? My dad was an ordinance tech in the 70s there with deployments to Thailand. DM is you hear or see anything. 

[Czar66]

2 hours ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

Same here. Are there any plans to add bort numbers?

 

Given how the numbers are baked in, I'd doubt it. Same as the F-14A/B by HB.

Probably the most disappointing thing in the module for me, for good or worse. Its liveries are massive already. I'd appreciate dynamic bort numbers.

[Kerbo 416]

16 hours ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

Same here. Are there any plans to add bort numbers?

 

A decal tool like on the F-15E is planned, it'll allow for multiple liveries to have different bort numbers for minimal file space (<1mb) provided they use the same "base".

[Bucic]

28 minutes ago, Kerbo 416 said:

A decal tool like on the F-15E is planned, it'll allow for multiple liveries to have different bort numbers for minimal file space (<1mb) provided they use the same "base".

It's called multiskin in some other sims

[Czar66]

3 hours ago, Kerbo 416 said:

A decal tool like on the F-15E is planned, it'll allow for multiple liveries to have different bort numbers for minimal file space (<1mb) provided they use the same "base".

If it is so, great news. Is there any source you can show if it doesn't bother you? Many thanks.

[LanceCriminal86]

19 hours ago, SunDown said:

Have anyone seen any Seymour Johnson F-4 liveries? My dad was an ordinance tech in the 70s there with deployments to Thailand. DM is you hear or see anything. 

As mentioned last page most SJ jets will come with the DMAS jet, as 4th TFW primarily operated the later TISEO equipped jets which received the DMAS upgrades in the 80s.

There were some non-DMAS jets around, but I'm not 100% clear if they were operationally used with the squadrons or if they were attached to the maintenance wing or what.

I guess we could try to sneak one in like this, she's a Mig Killer after all, 67-0210 marked up with the 335th.

https://www.airfighters.com/photo/23407/L/USA-Air-Force/McDonnell-Douglas-F-4E-Phantom-II/67-0210/

https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/McDonnell-Douglas-F-4E-Phantom-II/4246241/L

 

And some other older airframes

 

 

[Elf1606688794]

39 minutes ago, LanceCriminal86 said:

There were some non-DMAS jets around, but I'm not 100% clear if they were operationally used with the squadrons or if they were attached to the maintenance wing or what.

There was an entire squadron with no DMAS, the 337th. The 337th was part of Reagan's Rapid Deployment Force. We were tasked with being able to reconfigure all aircraft for cross country flight, pack up our tools, spare parts and maintenance personnel and be flying combat missions anywhere in the world in 72 hours or less.

[Elf1606688794]

20 hours ago, SunDown said:

Have anyone seen any Seymour Johnson F-4 liveries? My dad was an ordinance tech in the 70s there

Did he work on munitions? Or was he a weapons loader? I loaded weapons at Seymour Johnson from Sept 81 to Aug 83.

[LanceCriminal86]

2 hours ago, Elf1606688794 said:

There was an entire squadron with no DMAS, the 337th. The 337th was part of Reagan's Rapid Deployment Force. We were tasked with being able to reconfigure all aircraft for cross country flight, pack up our tools, spare parts and maintenance personnel and be flying combat missions anywhere in the world in 72 hours or less.

Only active for 3 years, guess that's why it wasn't showing up in my other list. But we can probably work them in since they should fit into the DSCG perfectly. Shouldn't be too challenging to add.

 

[Elf1606688794]

I walked that pavement day after day, night after night. Worked on every one of those Phantoms.

Your third picture, they put up the lights while I was there.

This one would be lovely. I watched it burn and then I got to watch it come back and land after being rebuilt.

[LanceCriminal86]

8 minutes ago, Elf1606688794 said:

I walked that pavement day after day, night after night. Worked on every one of those Phantoms.

Your third picture, they put up the lights while I was there.

This one would be lovely. I watched it burn and then I got to watch it come back and land after being rebuilt.

Will definitely note that one when it's time to crank up the DMAS art.

I need to find closeups of the logos on the 337th intakes, a lot of times the logo you find on wiki or elsewhere don't exactly match what was actually painted on the jets, or they changed over time.

I'll keep searching around but it looks like there were a few airframes in the 337th that were Mig killers

 

[Elf1606688794]

3 hours ago, LanceCriminal86 said:

I'll keep searching around but it looks like there were a few airframes in the 337th that were Mig killers

The 336th had a bird that had 3 MiG kills and it had MiG Killer stenciled on the inside of the nose gear door. I think every squadron at SJ had a few MiG killers.

 

*Edit* Might have been the 334th... after 40 years you don't remember so well.

 

Edited June 25, 2024 by Elf1606688794

[LanceCriminal86]

15 hours ago, Elf1606688794 said:

The 336th had a bird that had 3 MiG kills and it had MiG Killer stenciled on the inside of the nose gear door. I think every squadron at SJ had a few MiG killers.

 

*Edit* Might have been the 334th... after 40 years you don't remember so well.

 

 

I couldn't find any with 3 kills but a couple with 2. 68-0338 which I'm working on for the 110th TFS, 67-0392 that spent time at Moody in the 80s, then a bunch of singles. Could there have been a D still hanging around, or maybe the kills were the CO? 337th had a fair number of single Mig kills from my pass the other day and some others that were passed through 4th TFW squadrons.

Looking at the wing commander jets, I guess 334th is the blue stripe, 335th the green, and 336th the yellow. Then later 337th I guess made for the red stripe on 1040?

[Elf1606688794]

7 minutes ago, LanceCriminal86 said:

Looking at the wing commander jets, I guess 334th is the blue stripe, 335th the green, and 336th the yellow. Then later 337th I guess made for the red stripe on 1040?

Correct.

7 minutes ago, LanceCriminal86 said:

I couldn't find any with 3 kills but a couple with 2. 68-0338 which I'm working on for the 110th TFS, 67-0392 that spent time at Moody in the 80s, then a bunch of singles. Could there have been a D still hanging around, or maybe the kills were the CO? 337th had a fair number of single Mig kills from my pass the other day and some others that were passed through 4th TFW squadrons.

Either the 334th or the 336th had one F-4E with 3 red stars painted on the left vari-ramp and the words MiG Killer stenciled on the inside of the nose landing gear door. (I saw this with my own eyes.) I would hope that the Air Force made sure it actually had 3 kills and not 1 or two but you never know.

 

*Edit* We had 4 F-4D's from the Michigan National Guard that sat 5 minute alert 24/7. Those were the only D's on the base. Incidentally, one of those D's collided with a private jet near the coast that was in restricted airspace. The private jet was lost and the D made it back albeit missing one wing up to the inboard pylon. (I forget which one.)

Edited June 25, 2024 by Elf1606688794

[LanceCriminal86]

Interesting, I was trying to comb through Forgotten Jets and also looked at Wiki's list of Vietnam kills. Basically all of the E kills were Linebacker II, ie '72 and were pretty spread around. I'll have to dig through photos and see if anyone's got some wide shots of the flight line from that period. I'm going to assume early-mid 80s since you mentioned 337th as well.

There would have to be a good explanation for it, either the combined kills from the air wing or something. The other explanation could be someone got the kill count wrong or mixed serials up and it was eventually removed.

I found one that wasn't on the list in Forgotten Jets showing 2 kills, 67-0270, but comments on the photo say it was a mistake. The 2nd star on there apparently said "4th TFW 1973" but of course the only kills in '73 were credited to an F-4D and F-4B respectively, the D kill is listed with 4th TFS. Jet was with the 21st TFTS at George at the time the erroneous star was seen first.

So it seems there's a precedent of paint shops goofing kills sometimes, the one on 0270 seems to have followed it on display in NJ even.

Edited June 25, 2024 by LanceCriminal86

[G.J.S]

1 hour ago, Elf1606688794 said:

 

*Edit* We had 4 F-4D's from the Michigan National Guard that sat 5 minute alert 24/7. Those were the only D's on the base. Incidentally, one of those D's collided with a private jet near the coast that was in restricted airspace. The private jet was lost and the D made it back albeit missing one wing up to the inboard pylon. (I forget which one.)

 

Report on the ANG bird collision with a beechcraft.

AAR84-07.pdf

[Elf1606688794]

9 minutes ago, G.J.S said:

Report on the ANG bird collision with a beechcraft.

AAR84-07.pdf 948.13 kB · 0 downloads

Nice!!

That report says it was an F-4C and back then I probably couldn't have told you the difference between a C or a D. Other guys on the base said the Michigan ANG birds were D's so I took them at their word. The things you find out.

26 minutes ago, LanceCriminal86 said:

Interesting, I was trying to comb through Forgotten Jets and also looked at Wiki's list of Vietnam kills. Basically all of the E kills were Linebacker II, ie '72 and were pretty spread around. I'll have to dig through photos and see if anyone's got some wide shots of the flight line from that period. I'm going to assume early-mid 80s since you mentioned 337th as well.

There would have to be a good explanation for it, either the combined kills from the air wing or something. The other explanation could be someone got the kill count wrong or mixed serials up and it was eventually removed.

I found one that wasn't on the list in Forgotten Jets showing 2 kills, 67-0270, but comments on the photo say it was a mistake. The 2nd star on there apparently said "4th TFW 1973" but of course the only kills in '73 were credited to an F-4D and F-4B respectively, the D kill is listed with 4th TFS. Jet was with the 21st TFTS at George at the time the erroneous star was seen first.

So it seems there's a precedent of paint shops goofing kills sometimes, the one on 0270 seems to have followed it on display in NJ even.

 

So it is possible that a mistake was made.

I was at SJ from September of 81 to August of 83.

[G.J.S]

3 minutes ago, Elf1606688794 said:

Nice!!

That report says it was an F-4C and back then I probably couldn't have told you the difference between a C or a D. Other guys on the base said the Michigan ANG birds were D's so I took them at their word. The things you find out.

 

I was at SJ from September of 81 to August of 83.

Either way, with that much square footage missing, that's one hell of a job setting the bird down! 

[Elf1606688794]

1 hour ago, G.J.S said:

Either way, with that much square footage missing, that's one hell of a job setting the bird down! 

Interesting. I just read the report and the F-4 didn't actually lose part of it's wing. The left wing was damaged but was more or less whole. 

We were briefed about this incident at one of our daily roll call and briefing formations and not only was the damaged wing incorrectly reported but the private aircraft was a twin engine, propeller driven aircraft and not a private jet. Although in the interest of fairness I must point out that they got the private part right. The guy giving us our briefing informed us that because of rumors flying around he was going to give us the skinny on the ANG scramble.

Still a tragic incident.

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

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[SunDown]

On 6/24/2024 at 1:00 PM, Elf1606688794 said:

Did he work on munitions? Or was he a weapons loader? I loaded weapons at Seymour Johnson from Sept 81 to Aug 83.

Loader to my knowledge. He got out in the mid 70s.

[GavinRay]

Kleeman1981: Any chance of doing a Jolly Rogers F4E?

 

Regards. 

[DaWu]

@heatblur paintkit???

[Nodak]

Also the possibility the kill stars were attributed to the pilot currently assigned to the airframe, seen it done before.

[Gözcü]