Training Missions

[dburne]

24 minutes ago, imacken said:

Yep, but I guess that's Early Access for you!

Yeah no kidding. I just did the exact same mission in the exact same way, except this time he would not fire any hellfires. Even though he says he is firing. Only guns. It is great when it works though. Think I will try a different map's weapon range and see if I have any better luck there.

[dburne]

Oh yeah baby! I just did the weapons range on the Syria Map - huge difference!

I used up all my hellfires, rockets, and guns and we got good hits out of each one. This is the way it is supposed to be woohoo! At least I know it was not something I was doing wrong. Marianna Weapon Range for the Apache is just bugged. Think I will buy my CP/G a virtual beer after that one lol.

Edited April 29, 2022 by dburne

[Kharrn]

vor 17 Stunden schrieb dburne:

Ok so this morning I was starting to be successful with Hellfires at the Marianas Map weapon range. The first four or five worked perfectly and was hitting the targets I selected so I was feeling pretty good. Then CP/G just stopped working again. He would say firing but he never fires, and the targeting rectangle never shows up. 

Based on what I have read here guess this is just a bug currently. So my CP/G is only good for four or five hits maybe and then it is game over. I even tried changing trajectory types and launch types with no luck. Maybe I will try switching to rockets or guns and see if he will continue to at least try to hit something. So frustrating when one is trying to learn.

vor 16 Stunden schrieb dburne:

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At least I know it was not something I was doing wrong. Marianna Weapon Range for the Apache is just bugged. [snip]

Braking a huge lance here for George, not wanting to be rude or so @OP  but i think you do not fully understand the constraints that have to be met to fire hellfires (or also for other weapons but then constraints are a lot lighter, e.g. AZIMUTH LIM on the gun). So i still think - even though i cant prove without a track or video - that you did something wrong or at least not "fully correct". Not saying George works 100% total corract, but it is still very much WiP.

 

To my testing, GeorgeAI works pretty well when using hellfires.

• Just tested on marianas map (weapon range quick start mission);
• loaded up 4 Hellfires on each inner station (cause you spawn with only 6 total);
• flew to the target range (about 4km out) and went into a hover. Was pretty high, about 500-600 feet AGL to have a good up-down look on the targets;
• let George fire 4 missiles in LOBL, no problems all hit;
• switched LOAL-DIR, ** he killed two targets;
• switched to LOBL, gave him "consent to fire" and he and killed another;
• switched to LOAL-LO ** and he killed another.

 

**Side note: For LOAL (DIR nad LO) i did put George to "free fire" (green) and nothing happened, then gave him "consent to fire" and he rifled a missile with him lasing 2 seconds later. Worked therefor nearly as intended.

 

BUT: like i said, you have to meet all the weapon constraints! A PYLON LIM will prevent George from firing (tested) - as well as a BAL LIM i assume (not tested). And if you fire LOBL wait for missile SKR to detect laser energy (solid and big "missile contraints box") and then give him consent to fire.

Zitat

The constraints box is displayed in two sizes to indicate whether the missile seeker is tracking a laser designation that matches the laser frequency assigned to it by the aircraft

for more info please see page 299-301  in the quick start manual https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/ae5/1gklim4idv5p6s46zmgduj55g4m47mlo/DCS_AH-64D_Quick_Start_Manual_EN.pdf

 

 

Another thread that has been startet on this particular topic...

 

And a possible workaround if you wanna fire Hellfires as Pilot while GeorgeAI is lasing the target:

 

On the main topic: we are still in an very early stage of EA, so more training missions will very likely come in the future.

Edited April 30, 2022 by Kharrn

[Kharrn]

just tested a 3rd time on Mariana Weapon Range and worked like butter sauce   also LOAL only with using "consent to fire" (no weapons free needed this time).

see track attached.

 

Be advised that i used my keyboard controls to fly because im just on my laptop without any hardware. To note: flying and hovering with keyboard works - its all about small inputs

K

AH64D_MAR_GeorgeHellfireTest.trk

[dburne]

Ok thanks for the info will try again , just odd I am having no issue at all on Syria but really struggle on Marianas. Don't remember seeing a pylon limit message but could have missed it. Sounds like it is indeed something I must be doing wrong. Too bad George AI gives no indication when I give the fire command, instead he says firing.

 

[Kharrn]

vor 20 Minuten schrieb dburne:

Ok thanks for the info will try again , just odd I am having no issue at all on Syria but really struggle on Marianas. Don't remember seeing a pylon limit message but could have missed it. Sounds like it is indeed something I must be doing wrong. Too bad George AI gives no indication when I give the fire command, instead he says firing.

 

true indeed. think we are all in for a learning ride at this time lets hope they get that fixed and George will be more "responsive". 

K

[pii]

On 4/24/2022 at 2:55 PM, sirrah said:

Just in case: You do have the "hear like in helmet" audio option tickbox enabled, don't you? 

Yeah  but it doesn't make much difference but I did find a few audio options that cleared it up and I can now hear that guy. My second complaint is that if you get lost in the instructions there doesn't seem to be a way to get back on track so at that point 

i have to start over.  Got any tips

Edited April 30, 2022 by pii

[dburne]

6 hours ago, Kharrn said:

just tested a 3rd time on Mariana Weapon Range and worked like butter sauce   also LOAL only with using "consent to fire" (no weapons free needed this time).

see track attached.

 

Be advised that i used my keyboard controls to fly because im just on my laptop without any hardware. To note: flying and hovering with keyboard works - its all about small inputs

K

AH64D_MAR_GeorgeHellfireTest.trk 1.95 MB · 0 downloads

 

Well you were dead on. First I did the Syria weapons range again with no issue. Then I went back to Marianas. I was quite successful with my Hellfires, Rockets, and Guns. I think what must have been happening to me was selecting targets outside of my pylon limits and not noticing. Thanks much for the help!!

[dburne]

Persian Gulf Weapons Range is quite fun as well - it has three different loadouts one can choose from to home their skills. George and I are getting somewhat decent at this now. Guess I will have to buy him another virtual beer... Maybe before too much longer I will be able to fly this thing in combat. Chief says I need some more training first though.

[Growltyger]

I have run into a problem with the Christen Eagle 2 training mission:  the mission is not registering a change event (e.g., priming the engine with a succession of lever pull and pushes).  Is there any way to force the training mission to go on to the next objective?

[Kharrn]

Am 28.5.2022 um 20:14 schrieb Growltyger:

I have run into a problem with the Christen Eagle 2 training mission:  the mission is not registering a change event (e.g., priming the engine with a succession of lever pull and pushes).  Is there any way to force the training mission to go on to the next objective?

@GrowltygerWrong module good Sir. You are in the AH64D section of the forum  gl with your question! 

K

[3ra_Luke]

For me, after last beta update, the training missions start in external view and in GAME mode. Anyone?

[imacken]

2 hours ago, 3ra_Luke said:

For me, after last beta update, the training missions start in external view and in GAME mode. Anyone?

Yep, already been reported.