investigating George CPG stops lasing targets/firing hellfires

[StandingCow]

1. What happened that resulted in the issue? George will stop lasing targets and you lose hellfire symbology (no box).  
2. What were you doing that caused, or seemed to cause the issue?  Possibly scrolling quickly through targets on the George target select screen.  But I am unsure.  I made it happen, as you can see in the track file on the instant action target range mission.
3. Could you reproduce it? Yes, this happened to me on multiplayer servers multiple times, and I recreated it in an ED provided mission, possibly by scrolling through targets quickly in the George target select screen. 
4. What module where are you using, and does it happen with others? Only happens in the apache as it's the only thing with a George AI.

I have no mods installed, this is an ED provided instant action mission.

 

apachebug.trk

Edited June 3, 2022 by StandingCow

[StandingCow]

Also added a twitch clip of the bug in case that helps: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1316452913

I probably could have fired as a pilot in retrospect but forgot to flip my trigger safety, still a bug though since George stopped being able to fire.

Edited June 3, 2022 by StandingCow

[Kharrn]

George switched Missile TYPE to RF even though there are no RF Hellfires on board and FCR is not implemented.

It is a known and reported bug - and there are around 3-4 threads already about it - but you did provide a very good and short .trk file! Thank you

 

Only workaround atm (which is only working in SP): swtich to the CP/G seat by pressing 2 on your keyboard, go to WPN page and switch the Hellfires back to SAL (semi active laser).

Not working in MP cause seat switch is not possible in MP, though ED is working on it they said

K

 

edit:

just a small tip. dont "overwhelm" George by too many commands. give him time between commands and wait for his response. also when he WASes the Hellfires, missile needs some time (4-6sec afaik) to spool up. So you cant fire immediately after slaving on target and lasing. Also George tends to de-WAS the Hellfires after destroying a target - which is also inconvenient and has been reported. Always keep in mind this time for the missile spool up.

Use the VID screen and then right side TADS and then upper right side again TADS to see Georges TADS symbology on your vid screen. there is a lot of usefull information for the pilot (like YAW LIMIT, PYLON LIMIT and also the MSL NOT RDY indicating spool up)

Edited June 3, 2022 by Kharrn

[StandingCow]

Weird that he is switching missile type for no reason.  Another workaround might be having George laser your target then take control of the missiles yourself.  I attempted that but forgot to flip the trigger safety, so I'll try doing that next time I fly.

[Kharrn]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb StandingCow:

Weird that he is switching missile type for no reason.  Another workaround might be having George laser your target then take control of the missiles yourself.  I attempted that but forgot to flip the trigger safety, so I'll try doing that next time I fly.

doable, but sometimes George stops lasing (maybe cause of LoS) or "looses" the target and your missile will go awol

[Marshallman]

Ahh thanks for this...same happened today with me, targets firing at me in the open and Geaorge  ...Slaving... Deslave  every time

 

[BIGNEWY]

On 6/3/2022 at 7:16 AM, StandingCow said:

1. What happened that resulted in the issue? George will stop lasing targets and you lose hellfire symbology (no box).  
2. What were you doing that caused, or seemed to cause the issue?  Possibly scrolling quickly through targets on the George target select screen.  But I am unsure.  I made it happen, as you can see in the track file on the instant action target range mission.
3. Could you reproduce it? Yes, this happened to me on multiplayer servers multiple times, and I recreated it in an ED provided mission, possibly by scrolling through targets quickly in the George target select screen. 
4. What module where are you using, and does it happen with others? Only happens in the apache as it's the only thing with a George AI.

I have no mods installed, this is an ED provided instant action mission.

 

apachebug.trk 3.47 MB · 1 download

 

Thanks for the track we will take a closer look, but just to note that mashing the commands for the AI will only lead to circumstances where it is confused or out of sync. 

[StandingCow]

FYI the mashing isn't what triggers it, that was just frustration,  the mashing only happens after the bug triggers. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by StandingCow

[BIGNEWY]

I have tried today without success to reproduce the issue in open beta. 

We do have some improvements coming for George and targeting, one of which is not going safe after each hellfire shot, but it ties in with identifying targets which will come in a later update. 

Can I suggest for now you manually set master arm to arm as the pilot, George is less likely to go safe after each hellfire shot and it may improve things for you. 

thanks

[StandingCow]

On 6/7/2022 at 8:10 AM, BIGNEWY said:

I have tried today without success to reproduce the issue in open beta. 

We do have some improvements coming for George and targeting, one of which is not going safe after each hellfire shot, but it ties in with identifying targets which will come in a later update. 

Can I suggest for now you manually set master arm to arm as the pilot, George is less likely to go safe after each hellfire shot and it may improve things for you. 

thanks

I'll try next time I fly and report back.  I think reproducing could be as simple as scrolling through contacts quickly, I'll see if it still happens with the new patch.

[StandingCow]

Ok, this seems resolved in the latest patch.  Thanks ED!