How should the aircraft's systems react to shot off pylons?

[FalcoGer]

Sometimes your pylon gets shot off.

At least for hellfires, I think the aircraft should detect a failure state. In the pylons are the pylon interface units which are connected to both the weapons processors and the system processors among other things. I imagine the aircraft would notice if they were not connected (missing). If not that, I would imagine that at least the hellfires, which send their status to the aircraft (ready, tracking, bit failed, etc), would be detected as failed. Other failures are indicated with a yellow box and the message FAIL beneath the pylon on the WPN page and a failure code on the missile itself. I would think that if a missile didn't respond (missing because shot off) it would detect as failed.

How would the actual aircraft respond to a pylon being ripped off in flight? Would it indicate the hellfires as failed? If so with what failure message? Would it detect rocket pods as failed? Would it show any other message on the EUFD, even if no weapons were loaded on the now missing pylon? Other items exist in that pylon after all, such as the CMWS cameras, would that throw a warning?

Edited July 18, 2022 by FalcoGer

[Devrim]

I believe the thread I started should be related with your concern.

[Floyd1212]

Not sure about the warnings and systems that should be in place to automatically detect this kind of thing, but what works for me is to jettison the stores on the missing pylons and then the aircraft doesn't expect them to be there anymore.

[FalcoGer]

34 minutes ago, Floyd1212 said:

Not sure about the warnings and systems that should be in place to automatically detect this kind of thing, but what works for me is to jettison the stores on the missing pylons and then the aircraft doesn't expect them to be there anymore.

I'm aware of the workaround. I was wondering how the real Apache handles it to get a better simulation.

[RaisedByWolves]

Has a real apache ever gotten a pylon shot off?

[Scaley]

16 hours ago, RaisedByWolves said:

Has a real apache ever gotten a pylon shot off?

Maybe not, but at some time one will have had a failure in the wiring to a wing pylon. The general version of the question is "what does the crew see when the pylon stops talking to the aircraft".

[Leg2ion]

On 7/18/2022 at 2:39 AM, FalcoGer said:

Sometimes your pylon gets shot off.

If that did actually happen are you that bothered about what indications you get??? Look at the wings - big lump of metal and ordnance missing - no real indications needed? Regardless of what the systems say - you can fairly guarantee you cannot drop a missile off the missing launcher?

On 7/18/2022 at 2:39 AM, FalcoGer said:

How would the actual aircraft respond to a pylon being ripped off in flight?

As far as I know (using simple terms) there is a EMRU bolted to the wing, then 'plugged in' to allow stores jettison etc, then a launcher hangs off the EMRU, with each store being 'plugged in', so when the system is polled it details a missile load at each station.  So, if the whole load sheared it may depend on how it fails, but I guess it should show the launcher in a fail state, tho ultimately how would the pilot react??? What you need to remember is the vibration and trauma to the aircraft after being hit to create such a failure, along with the human interaction and subsequent reaction would probably dictate a set of responses in line with getting their backsides back home in one piece?

[FalcoGer]

The question isn't: "What should I do" or "Why don't you look outside". The question is how to accurately simulate the aircraft in such an event.