upyr1 Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 The MiG-25 has been retired for sometime and the USAF got their hands on one in the 1970s so I'm thinking it might make for a good module 7
okopanja Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Mig-25 is still not retired. Recently https://tangosix.rs/2022/12/07/foto-reportaza-alzir-vojnom-paradom-obelezio-60-godina-nezavisnosti-mig-25-glavna-zvezda-naleta-vazduhoplova/ Edited August 2, 2022 by okopanja added link 1
okopanja Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 But other than that I would love to see it DCS. 1
F-2 Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 There was a very promising Mig-25 mod that unfortunately seems to have died. if your feeling ambitious why not file a foia with the CIA for the information Adolf Tolkachev gave them on the Mig-31 and R-33 for possible release. 40 years is about as long as most domestic equipment is kept classified, probably a possibility since just about everything he provided information on has been superseded. 1
upyr1 Posted August 2, 2022 Author Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, okopanja said: Mig-25 is still not retired. Recently https://tangosix.rs/2022/12/07/foto-reportaza-alzir-vojnom-paradom-obelezio-60-godina-nezavisnosti-mig-25-glavna-zvezda-naleta-vazduhoplova/ I didn't think there were any left flying. 5 hours ago, F-2 said: There was a very promising Mig-25 mod that unfortunately seems to have died. if your feeling ambitious why not file a foia with the CIA for the information Adolf Tolkachev gave them on the Mig-31 and R-33 for possible release. 40 years is about as long as most domestic equipment is kept classified, probably a possibility since just about everything he provided information on has been superseded. 40 years- is that from retirement or introduction. I'm thinking the MIG-31, 29 and original Flanker are about that age sad the 25 never got anyplace Edited August 2, 2022 by upyr1 1
F-2 Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, upyr1 said: I didn't think there were any left flying. 40 years- is that from retirement or introduction. I'm thinking the MIG-31, 29 and original Flanker are about that age sad the 25 never got anyplace Well it’s complicated. It’s not really modern intelligent and the Russians have moved on. Worst case they deny the FOIA. 1
upyr1 Posted August 2, 2022 Author Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, F-2 said: Well it’s complicated. It’s not really modern intelligent and the Russians have moved on. Worst case they deny the FOIA. Anyway I think we'll probably stand a good chance of geting the information on the variant Viktor Belenko flew to Japan. The USAF got any possible secret from it 40 years ago 1
F-2 Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, upyr1 said: Anyway I think we'll probably stand a good chance of geting the information on the variant Viktor Belenko flew to Japan. The USAF got any possible secret from it 40 years ago That would be a good idea too. FOIA them both and see if they can accommodate the request. 1
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Retirement isn't the only factor to restricted access. The real determining power is foreign policy and infosec. The few -25s still left flying are probably recon birds. The real question is if the Russian MoD feels the tech on the -25 is still relevant enough to be considered classified. Only way to find out is to ask. Edited August 2, 2022 by MiG21bisFishbedL 2 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
F-2 Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: Retirement isn't the only factor to restricted access. The real determining power is foreign policy and infosec. The few -25s still left flying are probably recon birds. The real question is if the Russian MoD feels the tech on the -25 is still relevant enough to be considered classified. Only way to find out is to ask. Oh I was gunna suggest doing a FOIA request to the CIA. for the info Adolf Tolkachev and Viktor Belenko provided lots of documents from Oleg Penkovsky have been declassified over the years. the docs we need probably still are but might possibly be reviewable for release or have sanitized copies provided since they no longer are related to front line cutting edge weapon systems. 1
bies Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Both would be great, early MiG-25P from 1971 with original ridiculusly powerfull vacuum tube Smerch radar and 1980 MiG-25PD with pulse-doppler-ish Saphir radar, integrated with R-60M missiles, RWR, flare/chaff dispencers etc. As well as even faster recon/bomber variant MiG-25RB. 1
okopanja Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 22 minutes ago, F-2 said: Oh I was gunna suggest doing a FOIA request to the CIA. for the info Adolf Tolkachev and Viktor Belenko provided lots of documents from Oleg Penkovsky have been declassified over the years. That would apply only to earlier versions of the aircraft with old compromised radar. To my best knowledge these did receive later upgrades, which could explaining the downing F-18s as well a rather successful challenge to F-15s. Nevertheless the Adolf Tolkachev did cause immense damage not only to Soviet Union, but also to anyone using the wide variety of their equipment. Btw. I would not be too surprised if the customers were not fully aware of the extent of the leak. As for the Algerian specimens during parade they demonstrated following flying specimens (in order of appearance lead to tail): Mig-25PU: training 2 seater Mig-25PDS: interceptor (long grey cone) Mig-25RBV: recon/bomber One more article with pictures: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/fastest-jets-guard-african-country-algeria-mig25-foxbats These birds will likely see end of life soon. Not sure if USA manage to make "their own" sample airworthy.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 57 minutes ago, F-2 said: Oh I was gunna suggest doing a FOIA request to the CIA. for the info Adolf Tolkachev and Viktor Belenko provided lots of documents from Oleg Penkovsky have been declassified over the years. the docs we need probably still are but might possibly be reviewable for release or have sanitized copies provided since they no longer are related to front line cutting edge weapon systems. The same could be said for the MiG-29, but it's only recently we received confirmation that we'd be getting one. We have flying MiG-29s stateside and we had plenty of access to MiG-29s since the fall of the iron curtain, but I'd suspect that Russia's MoD still provided ED to be more cautious until recent. 1 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
upyr1 Posted August 3, 2022 Author Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, bies said: Both would be great, early MiG-25P from 1971 with original ridiculusly powerfull vacuum tube Smerch radar and 1980 MiG-25PD with pulse-doppler-ish Saphir radar, integrated with R-60M missiles, RWR, flare/chaff dispencers etc. As well as even faster recon/bomber variant MiG-25RB. That would be an awesome module. 3
F-2 Posted August 21, 2022 Posted August 21, 2022 So the U.S. National Air & Space Intelligence Center was the organization that examined Viktor Belenko‘s Mig-25 and had the manual he brought with him. Would someone be willing to send a FOIA to them for it? I have several open at Wright AFB and don’t want to get excessive. Also I sent that request for the tolkachevdocuments so we will know by early October if we can be given them. 2
okopanja Posted August 21, 2022 Posted August 21, 2022 Smerch or Saphir at 0:40 another interesting at 1:47 1
okopanja Posted August 22, 2022 Posted August 22, 2022 Here is the Iraqi Mig-25, unearthed by USA apparently wings or their secrets were too valuable... I was wondering what happened to it and hoped its in the flying condition.
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