see mini-updates FCR and AGM-114L radar-guided hellfire

[corbu1]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb Raptor9:

It's why so much money goes into training aircrews. Their military leadership is not only entrusting them with a multi-million dollar flying machine filled with technology, but they are entrusting them with the discretion to ensure that every munition that leaves their aircraft is employed in a responsible way, in accordance with their mission. You give a $30 million dollar aircraft to a pair of young men or women, that has the firepower to wipe out a company of tanks, armored fighting vehicles, or hundreds of infantry from several miles away; trust them to go somewhere into a hostile battlefield, at night, and expect them to accomplish objectives without supervision, using complex military tactics and procedures.

If it came down to what a computer screen said as to whether a gunner decides to shoot or not shoot, anybody could do that job out of boot camp.

Thanks @Raptor9

I fully agree…. I think it’s important and the right way the crew which pulls the trigger has to decide and not a computer.
And I fully understand that years of training are required to learn required procedures and get the needed experience. 

[Raptor9]

@corbu1, also keep in mind the original idea of the AH-64A was a Cold War era concept to offset the numerically superior Soviet armored forces that were expected to come across the central plains of Europe. In that concept, it was thought to be a World War 3 scenario, where the objective was to stop the advance of a large armor force before it decimated your own. The original design of the AH-64D's FCR (and AGM-114L) was to be a more efficient extension of that concept, where the concern was more about strategic survival, and the types of scenarios that would entail.

But that goes down a larger discussion about Cold War hypotheticals, which I won't get into for multiple reasons.

[corbu1]

vor 41 Minuten schrieb Raptor9:

@corbu1, also keep in mind the original idea of the AH-64A was a Cold War era concept to offset the numerically superior Soviet armored forces that were expected to come across the central plains of Europe. In that concept, it was thought to be a World War 3 scenario, where the objective was to stop the advance of a large armor force before it decimated your own. The original design of the AH-64D's FCR (and AGM-114L) was to be a more efficient extension of that concept, where the concern was more about strategic survival, and the types of scenarios that would entail.

But that goes down a larger discussion about Cold War hypotheticals, which I won't get into for multiple reasons.

Yes, that‘s true. It was made for battlefield opposing huge tank armies.  I live in Germany, so I have special feelings about Cold War era. Thinking back my childhood in the early 1980‘s, I remember the Reforger exercises each late summer when nato tank columns came into my hometown. And helicopters of course, lot‘s of Kiowas, Hueys and Cobra‘s at this time, which used our local football field as landing spot. We children were so excited and always tried to get a look into the cockpits ……and didn‘t realize why it was all about.

Edited December 2, 2022 by corbu1

[DN308]

We are in December now. 
Two weeks passed slowly since August…

 

So? Any news about these capacities ???

[nachomaga]

I saw in older thread, but just in case some of you miss it, this video talks about about FCR (for training, it seems). Very interesting.

And of course I hope too that FCR will implemented in the sim. Although I understand is a complex system.

 

Edited December 3, 2022 by nachomaga

[Dagobert666]

31 minutes ago, nachomaga said:

I saw in older thread, but just in case some of you miss it, this video talks about about FCR (for training, it seems). Very interesting.

And of course I hope too that FCR will implemented in the sim. Although I understand is a complex system.

 

 

I think the video clearly shows why it's taking so long. It's really super complex.
Datalink, firing zones, 4 Apache but only one longbow radar, the ability to attack up to 16 targets at once, etc etc.

And George has to be able to deal with it too...

The whole thing is clearly more complex than a "normal" aircraft radar.

[corbu1]

vor 53 Minuten schrieb nachomaga:

I saw in older thread, but just in case some of you miss it, this video talks about about FCR (for training, it seems). Very interesting.

And of course I hope too that FCR will implemented in the sim. Although I understand is a complex system.

 

 

Thanks, very interesting

[beewip]

no news yet  

[DN308]

Grrrrrrr

[Scaley]

Just to touch on the point about whether you can shoot at an FCR target or whether you need to see it with TADS (and accepting I have zero access to the current IRL US Army doctrine/ROE, and never have done)...

This isn't something that is going to have a single answer, even in a given warzone. By way of a few examples - in Syria currently could you employ on an FCR target? Very likely not, since even if you knew the vehicle was an AFV (tracked armour) it wouldn't tell you the owner. You wouldn't have met the mission specific ROE. Conversely in a Fulda gap "a massive horde of tanks are coming" scenario you might have a situation where knowing something was a tracked vehicle (aka very very unlikely to be civilian) and it being in a certain area (aka not a friendly vehicle) would meet the ROE and enable you to engage. The next day (or the next hour) the same AFV radar target might no longer meet ROE if you didn't have as precise info about friendly force locations. Whether a particular contact on a particular sensor meets the ROE and you can engage it is mission/time/situation specific, and that doesn't change whether you are in an Apache, a tank, a Hornet or destroyer. In addition, the ROE can't possibly cover ever situation, which leads back to Raptor's point about training.