need track replay Multicrew Gunners Sight Becomes Titled and Occasionally Looks Through Helicopter

[MrRistro]

My friend and I both are having this issue persist and can not multicrew the Mi-24P without this issue presenting itself. 
 

The issue is, after activating the Raduga ATGM sight and the pilot maneuvers the helicopter around causing the sight to exceed gimbal limit, the sight will get stuck appearing that the aircraft is rolling. Despite this, the stabilizer will continue trying to stabilize the sight causing it to break more. 
Sometimes afterwards it is possible to "center" the sight enough to fire a missile though it is still very slanted.

Occasionally, it will get bad enough that the sight will start clipping through something on the helicopter and looking basically 90 degrees downward in a position it would be impossible for the sight to look. 

Initially I thought it was something to do with a FAQ post 

"Why does my Raduga ATGM sight get stuck and I cannot center it?

You exceeded the 60-degree gimbal slew of the sight. You must reset the Observe switch to reset it. If that fails, cycle the Raduga system power that will take 3 minutes to realign."

but again the clipping aspect made it seem more than that and the suggested fixes didn't do anything outside of just closing the sight doors.


We've had this issue on different maps and different issues. We both use trackir and use a joystick to move the sight around if that is relevant. 

I found this post from last year detailing the same issue with no real fix.

I video taped two separate instances of this happening.

Quick 2 min video with the bug. Ignore people talking about irrelevant stuff.
 

Much longer video of the whole mission.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aVDHia_lcddIYJDxCsZykEWJkEesExsb?usp=sharing
Tracks from both videos as well as an additional third that wasn't captured on video.

[randomTOTEN]

1st video 100% a tumbled sight gyro.

[fargo007]

On 8/24/2022 at 7:15 PM, randomTOTEN said:

1st video 100% a tumbled sight gyro.

 

I agree, the hard banking while the doors are open and the system is on is what apparently caused it. 

[MrRistro]

On 8/28/2022 at 7:32 AM, fargo007 said:

 

I agree, the hard banking while the doors are open and the system is on is what apparently caused it. 

So my questions are then:
1. How do I fix this after it's been titled so much?

2. How do I prevent this from happening? Do I need to close the doors every time the pilot goes into a sharp bank?

[AeriaGloria]

4 hours ago, MrRistro said:

So my questions are then:
1. How do I fix this after it's been titled so much?

2. How do I prevent this from happening? Do I need to close the doors every time the pilot goes into a sharp bank?

1. Turn off weapon system and re am it, and wait sake 3 minutes 40 seconds that you did when first arming them. Only a human not Petro can do this right now 

2. the quick start guide says not to bank or pitch +/-25 degrees with observe B2 switch on. In game you can actually bank 30 degrees, but in reality they pilots to not bank more then 20 degrees. I am not sure how strict the vertical limits are

the ATGM tutorial in game should also have mentioned the limits, and needing to tell Petro to close the sight before maneuvering hard 

[randomTOTEN]

Text from the training mission:

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Note, that in order to keep constant target acquisition from the gunner’s seat during the missile run, the pilot should constrain the helicopter within the following limits:
— direction ±55°
— pitch from -20° to 15°
— roll 20° either side.
In a case of oversteer in that situation the proper red warning lamp “LIMIT MANEUVER” lights up to urge the pilot to ease.

The second note on a similar issue: while external camera flaps are open and gyros uncaged - the gunner should turn off the OBSERV. switch prior to the helicopter's sharp turn and maneuvering. That will save gyros from jamming and imminent time-worthy realign procedure.

 

Edited August 30, 2022 by randomTOTEN

[AeriaGloria]

34 minutes ago, randomTOTEN said:

Text from the training mission:

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Note, that in order to keep constant target acquisition from the gunner’s seat during the missile run, the pilot should constrain the helicopter within the following limits:
— direction ±55°
— pitch from -20° to 15°
— roll 20° either side.
In a case of oversteer in that situation the proper red warning lamp “LIMIT MANEUVER” lights up to urge the pilot to ease.

The second note on a similar issue: while external camera flaps are open and gyros uncaged - the gunner should turn off the OBSERV. switch prior to the helicopter's sharp turn and maneuvering. That will save gyros from jamming and imminent time-worthy realign procedure.

 

 

Yeah and that’s what the real life manuals say. But it goes much farther in game. I haven’t tested in pitch exactly but you can do 30 degrees of roll before sight breaks. 

[MrRistro]

In that case I do apologize for the ignorance and I appreciate the information. I'm surprised there was no safety system or stops installed to prevent this from happening.

That being said there still is a very minor bug regarding the sight being able to look in certain  directions.