Unable to clearly distinguish targets on LANTIRN POD... need advice

[hannibal]

im having trouble seeing targets.

i have targets around a antenna tower in a big field. labels show there are targets near the tower

i slave the lantirn pod, i can see the antenna tower, but targets are very faint, or looked cratered (though they have not be destroyed)

im using AGC, but manually adjusting TID contrast and brightness.. sill targets are so unclear, but looking out of the cockpit, it is clear to spot

it seemed easier to see targets before the whole update to the FLIR system..

 

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

  

[IronMike]

Is that directly after mission start? IIRC targets need some time to warm up and there are other such issues with the new FLIR. It's best to make a short track and report it to ED, as these FLIR issues are out of our hands unfortunately.

[Dangerzone]

4 hours ago, hannibal said:

im having trouble seeing targets.

i have targets around a antenna tower in a big field. labels show there are targets near the tower

i slave the lantirn pod, i can see the antenna tower, but targets are very faint, or looked cratered (though they have not be destroyed)

im using AGC, but manually adjusting TID contrast and brightness.. sill targets are so unclear, but looking out of the cockpit, it is clear to spot

it seemed easier to see targets before the whole update to the FLIR system..

 

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

  

What are the targets you are referring to? Are they vehicles/armour?  I don't think you're doing anything wrong. If the unit is not moving and is stationary (tanks in the open, etc) - they are extremely difficult to see with the new FLIR as the temperature appears to be the same as the environment around them. (Trees stand out far better).  I have the same problem in the Apache.

Possible work-arounds include:

• Design missions where the units are always on the move (so they're warm)
   
• Making sure the unit is on RED mode and not Auto. (I think this may keep them powered up the whole time and thus make them hotter).
   
• Use the 'dismount' script. When units come to a stop (and then will start cooling down), soldiers will automatically dismount from those units. Soldiers being warm bodied may make it easier to see the area. When the units start moving the soldiers will automatically join in again. (While this doesn't make the actual units visible when they're cold - it helps to identify where they may be due to the personnel around them)

I was initially wrapped when I saw videos of the new FLIR in the AH-64 how they not only stood out but also the different temperature for wheels, engine block, etc. But now I miss the old FLIR.  It doesn't seem to matter how much I change contrast, etc - it's very hard for me to be able to see vehicles in the open that are set on 'Auto'. 

[hannibal]

5 hours ago, IronMike said:

Is that directly after mission start? IIRC targets need some time to warm up and there are other such issues with the new FLIR. It's best to make a short track and report it to ED, as these FLIR issues are out of our hands unfortunately.

I was in the hoggit training server TNN release, just trying to practice.. nothing fancy.. targets are bmp and trucks

Ok, I'll make a track file next time I buddy up with friend. I mean that the server seems to always reset mission ever half hour..(so annoying)

Appreciate the insight on the lantirn system!

But I still find it strange to see targets with a crater in the TID LAntirn but look out side cockpit and terrain Is ok..

I was on apache recently as well.is there camera mode to F14 lantirn, or only flir bhot/whot... the other week I was flying apache, I feel like I better lock / motion compensation on targets via camera mode..

Edited October 14, 2022 by hannibal

[hannibal]

1 hour ago, Dangerzone said:

 it's very hard for me to be able to see vehicles in the open that are set on 'Auto'. 

Is suggestion to use f14 lantirn MGC and control the gain? Wondering if you are referring to apache auto or tomcat auto..

[IronMike]

9 hours ago, hannibal said:

Is suggestion to use f14 lantirn MGC and control the gain? Wondering if you are referring to apache auto or tomcat auto..

I think he means the alert state of units, which can be set between green, red and auto.

[draconus]

9 hours ago, hannibal said:

I was on apache recently as well.is there camera mode to F14 lantirn, or only flir bhot/whot... the other week I was flying apache, I feel like I better lock / motion compensation on targets via camera mode..

The LANTIRN is IR only. Please, remember the new DCS FLIR implementation is not fully done yet for all units and pods.

[hannibal]

39 minutes ago, IronMike said:

I think he means the alert state of units, which can be set between green, red and auto.

Ok no problem.. its a mission editor setting. 

38 minutes ago, draconus said:

The LANTIRN is IR only. Please, remember the new DCS FLIR implementation is not fully done yet for all units and pods.

Np..so key Is to be patient!