HoBGoBLiNzx3 Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 I've tried searching for a previous thread but found none which is odd because I've heard a lot of people bring this up shadow threads. Can we please get an independent cockpit shadows option. The lower and mid end systems especially in VR could greatly benefit from this. This is an immersion breaker and it takes a lot of performance to run shadows in general so a lot of people have to run with them off. With just being able to run cockpit shadows, it wouldn't nearly be the performance cost and we can still the visual effects. Cockpit Shadows and Cockpit Textures would be really nice to have completely separate. 4
5ephir0th Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 We asked several times but still no response 4 NZXT H9 Flow Black | Intel Core i5 13600KF OCed P5.6 E4.4 | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5-6000 32GB C30 OCed 6600 C32 | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition | Western Digital SN770 2TB | Gigabyte GP-UD1000GM PG5 ATX 3.0 1000W | SteelSeries Apex 7 | Razer Viper Mini | SteelSeries Artics Nova 7 | LG OLED42C2 | Xiaomi P1 55" Virpil T-50 CM2 Base + Thrustmaster Warthog Stick | WinWing Orion 2 F16EX Viper Throttle | WinWing ICP | 3 x Thrustmaster MFD | Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals | Oculus Quest 2 DCS World | Persian Gulf | Syria | Flaming Cliff 3 | P-51D Mustang | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | Fw-109 A-8 | A-10C II Tank Killer | F/A-18C Hornet | F-14B Tomcat | F-16C Viper | F-15E Strike Eagle | M2000C | Ka-50 BlackShark III | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | SuperCarrier
zildac Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 Thus sounds like a very good idea. 2 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
sirrah Posted November 2, 2022 Posted November 2, 2022 As @5ephir0th said, this has been requested a lot of times. I've even sent Bignewy a PM some time ago about it. I'm sure he won't mind me sharing his answer with you guys (as it doesn't really mean much anyway ) Also, for those interested in a temporary solution, in my message below you'll find a link on how to edit the shadows.lua file for in cockpit only shadows (only for SP use, as it breaks IC unfortunately) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sirrah Started conversation: July 30, 2021 Concerning: "Cockpit only shadow" option. I'm sorry if it is considered inappropriate to address you guys this way, as I'm sure you are both very busy. But I think it would be really valuable if either of you considered sharing this with the team. I can imagine that it's impossible for you to follow and read all ideas that pass in the Wishlist forum section (and I agree, most wishes there are not properly thought through and simply unrealistic). I believe though, that the "cockpit only shadows" should be easily doable without too much effort on the devs side. This option is basically already available by just altering some values in the "shadows.lua" file (...\DCS World OpenBeta\Config\Effects\shadows.lua) By simply changing some values in the shadows.lua file (which breaks IC right now), it is possible to enjoy high quality, fantastic looking in cockpit shadows, without (the current) huge impact on performance when setting shadows to high. Could you please consider adding an extra option to the shadows pull down menu, like this: I know the medium and low settings also show in cockpit shadows, but these settings both are by far not as crisp as shadows on high. Given that most of the time people will be flying/airborne in DCS, it would imho make sense to have a cockpit only option available. In cockpit shadows make such an immense difference to immersion, I think such an option will be received with great cheerfulness by the community (I know it will for me), especially by those struggling with performance (ain't we all ). Thank you for hearing (reading) me out, and again, excuse me if this personal reaching out to you is considered inappropriate BIGNEWY Replied: July 30, 2021 ED Team Hi Sirrah, You can reach out to us any time its never a problem. At the moment I can not promise anything, but I have bumped my feature request report to the team and asked them to take a fresh look. Best regards Scott Newnham Associate producer Eagle Dynamics 2 System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3 ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH
HoBGoBLiNzx3 Posted November 2, 2022 Author Posted November 2, 2022 7 hours ago, sirrah said: As @5ephir0th said, this has been requested a lot of times. I've even sent Bignewy a PM some time ago about it. I'm sure he won't mind me sharing his answer with you guys (as it doesn't really mean much anyway ) Also, for those interested in a temporary solution, in my message below you'll find a link on how to edit the shadows.lua file for in cockpit only shadows (only for SP use, as it breaks IC unfortunately) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sirrah Started conversation: July 30, 2021 Concerning: "Cockpit only shadow" option. I'm sorry if it is considered inappropriate to address you guys this way, as I'm sure you are both very busy. But I think it would be really valuable if either of you considered sharing this with the team. I can imagine that it's impossible for you to follow and read all ideas that pass in the Wishlist forum section (and I agree, most wishes there are not properly thought through and simply unrealistic). I believe though, that the "cockpit only shadows" should be easily doable without too much effort on the devs side. This option is basically already available by just altering some values in the "shadows.lua" file (...\DCS World OpenBeta\Config\Effects\shadows.lua) By simply changing some values in the shadows.lua file (which breaks IC right now), it is possible to enjoy high quality, fantastic looking in cockpit shadows, without (the current) huge impact on performance when setting shadows to high. Could you please consider adding an extra option to the shadows pull down menu, like this: I know the medium and low settings also show in cockpit shadows, but these settings both are by far not as crisp as shadows on high. Given that most of the time people will be flying/airborne in DCS, it would imho make sense to have a cockpit only option available. In cockpit shadows make such an immense difference to immersion, I think such an option will be received with great cheerfulness by the community (I know it will for me), especially by those struggling with performance (ain't we all ). Thank you for hearing (reading) me out, and again, excuse me if this personal reaching out to you is considered inappropriate BIGNEWY Replied: July 30, 2021 ED Team Hi Sirrah, You can reach out to us any time its never a problem. At the moment I can not promise anything, but I have bumped my feature request report to the team and asked them to take a fresh look. Best regards Scott Newnham Associate producer Eagle Dynamics Thanks for doing this! As I said in the OP I've seen the request many times but I couldn't find an actual official request and made sure I searched prior to posting. I'll definetly be doing the .lua change (save as an alternate for SP and replace with original for MP) I would hope that ED offers this solution in the near future, as you stated, it's an easy fix to a lot of performance problems when it comes to shadows.. More so in VR. I'm hoping a lot of this is solved when Vulkan and MT is released and the impact isn't nearly as bad as it is currently. However, even then, having that option is necessity in my eyes. If there were only 2 things I could request that would be fixed, in theory the genie in a bottle senario.. It would be seperate cockpit options (shadows, textures, and anti aliasing methods) and the cloud/terrain clarity fixed without massive supersampling and SSAA (this one is huge but something for another topic). 2
sirrah Posted November 2, 2022 Posted November 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, HoBGoBLiNzx3 said: Thanks for doing this! As I said in the OP I've seen the request many times but I couldn't find an actual official request and made sure I searched prior to posting. I'll definetly be doing the .lua change (save as an alternate for SP and replace with original for MP) Yeah, I do exactly the same. One original backup for MP. Works like a charm and makes me able to enjoy those beautiful cockpit shadows on my low end pc. Small heads-up though, the shadows.lua file is overwritten with each update, so you'll manually have to change the values after each update (or make sure you backup the altered file) 2 System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3 ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH
5ephir0th Posted November 2, 2022 Posted November 2, 2022 When i did i asked for a separate option for cockpit shadows and textures, textures one i think would save a ton of VRAM, but it looks that i will have the RTX 4090 before we have that option 1 NZXT H9 Flow Black | Intel Core i5 13600KF OCed P5.6 E4.4 | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5-6000 32GB C30 OCed 6600 C32 | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition | Western Digital SN770 2TB | Gigabyte GP-UD1000GM PG5 ATX 3.0 1000W | SteelSeries Apex 7 | Razer Viper Mini | SteelSeries Artics Nova 7 | LG OLED42C2 | Xiaomi P1 55" Virpil T-50 CM2 Base + Thrustmaster Warthog Stick | WinWing Orion 2 F16EX Viper Throttle | WinWing ICP | 3 x Thrustmaster MFD | Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals | Oculus Quest 2 DCS World | Persian Gulf | Syria | Flaming Cliff 3 | P-51D Mustang | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | Fw-109 A-8 | A-10C II Tank Killer | F/A-18C Hornet | F-14B Tomcat | F-16C Viper | F-15E Strike Eagle | M2000C | Ka-50 BlackShark III | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | SuperCarrier
HoBGoBLiNzx3 Posted November 3, 2022 Author Posted November 3, 2022 12 hours ago, 5ephir0th said: When i did i asked for a separate option for cockpit shadows and textures, textures one i think would save a ton of VRAM, but it looks that i will have the RTX 4090 before we have that option Even when I upgrade to a 4090 I'd still want it for others who can't afford the upgrade or if I want to have higher quality textures inside vs outside the cockpit.. Having to give up some supersampling for shadows even with a 4090 is still a balancing act! lol. 1
corbu1 Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 +1 I‘d like that shadow option, too. Especially in VR even with a solid PC setup, it‘s all about proper settings for actual performance. 2 DCS Version: 2.9.15.9408 Modules: UH-1H - SA342 - KA-50 BS3 - MI-24P - MI-8MTV2 - AH-64D - CH-47F - OH-58D - UH-60L(Mod, n.i.) - OH-6A(Mod, n.i.) - A-10CII - F-16C - F/A-18C - AJS37 - F-14 - MiG-21bis - JF-17 - Mirage F1 - MiG-29A - (prepurchase) - FC2024 -Combined Arms - Supercarrier - NTTR - Normandy2.0 - Channel - Persian Gulf - Syria - SA - Sinai - Afghanistan - Kola - Iraq - Cold War Germany — Waiting for: BO-105 - AH-1G/F(Mod) DCS-Client: 9800X3D, 64GB 6200, RTX3090, 1TB M2 NVMe(win10), 4TB M2 NVMe(DCS), VR VivePro2, PointCTRL, VaicomPro, Wacom Intuos S with VRK v2Beta DCS-DServer: 11600KF, 64GB 3600, GTX1080, 1TB M2 NVMe(win10), 2TB M2 NVMe(DCSDServer), DCS Olympus Simpit: NLR Flightsim Pro Cyclic: TM Warthog Grip with 30cm Extension + VPforce Rhino FFB FW Stick: TM Warthog Grip and Base, Throttle: TM Warthog Pedals: Komodo Sim. with Dampers Collective: VPC Rotorplus+AH-64D Grip Other: NLR HF8, Buttkicker (3*MiniConcert), TotalControls AH64D MPD‘s and EUFD, Alain Dufour’s AH-64 TEDAC, TM MFD, Streamdecks (1*32,3*15,1*6), VPC CP#1
HoBGoBLiNzx3 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 12:28 AM, corbu1 said: +1 I‘d like that shadow option, too. Especially in VR even with a solid PC setup, it‘s all about proper settings for actual performance. Since I've used Keygens .lua I've been able to run cockpit shadows on with high quality, flat shadows for terrain. High clouds, PD 1.3 (I did drop the resolution down two notches on the headset because it runs better for some reason that way likely because of the SS multiplier) with 2x SAA on a RTX2060... WITH rain and at night. It's crazy how much simple things make a difference... I'm obviously still bound by hardware performance but I'm not trying to max out settings just get some clarity. I've for the most part been able to clear up the ground, and get rid of most shimmering in the clouds. No easy feat... lol 1
HoBGoBLiNzx3 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Posted November 15, 2022 On 11/4/2022 at 6:56 AM, HoBGoBLiNzx3 said: Since I've used Keygens .lua I've been able to run cockpit shadows on with high quality, flat shadows for terrain. High clouds, PD 1.3 (I did drop the resolution down two notches on the headset because it runs better for some reason that way likely because of the SS multiplier) with 2x SAA on a RTX2060... WITH rain and at night. It's crazy how much simple things make a difference... I'm obviously still bound by hardware performance but I'm not trying to max out settings just get some clarity. I've for the most part been able to clear up the ground, and get rid of most shimmering in the clouds. No easy feat... lol Well I didn't get even close to getting rid of the shimmering after all lol.. that is a separate issue anyways. I really wish they would add this though, It would be so nice to have in MP and even high end users will benefit greatly from it.
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