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Acording to this this the real stick has pich up of 25lb (11.3398) a pitch down of 16lb (7.2kg) and left and right roll of 17lb(7.7kg)

Yet the sim app tro only goes up to 6kg, so what gives? at 6kg at roll to the right is very hard would be even harder at 7.7kg(not that you can add that.

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My guess is the limitation is related to a few things: 1) cost of materials 2) limitations surrounding the ability to make the FFB variable (i.e. change how much) 3) limitations regarding balance of the stick and most stands/mounts. My guess is there are trade-offs across the board, but the most obvious limiter to me is #3. That much force would require a very broad desk-stand and/or a very stiff and reinforced desk-mount.

Now, of course some of us simmers want as much 1-to-1 realism as possible and would happily bolt one of these things to whatever was necessary to give us the full 25-16-17lbs pounds of force you described. But that's not everybody and I think it would probably be worse if the stick wouldn't stay standing on a desk under the forces applied with a reasonably-sized desk stand.

My 2 cents: Is it inaccurate to the real thing? Yes. Is it disappointing? Yeah. Is it unreasonable? I, personally, don't think so.

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Personally, I dont see how you could easily and accurately ( dont forget you are moving the stick in both X & Y directions most time, so it needs to be accurately placed) with one hand displace 7 or 8kg.....sorry, i just dont.....I tried it at max 6kg and it was impossible to fly nicely. 

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On 12/3/2022 at 1:09 PM, markturner1960 said:

Personally, I dont see how you could easily and accurately ( dont forget you are moving the stick in both X & Y directions most time, so it needs to be accurately placed) with one hand displace 7 or 8kg.....sorry, i just dont.....I tried it at max 6kg and it was impossible to fly nicely. 

If you're using full force or close to it then the arm rests (which you'll see in the F16/22/35 cockpits) are essential. 

Pics below - note the two piece arm rest shown clearly in the F16. As they fold for maintenance access to the panels they're often not visible in cockpit pics.

 

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yeah, I  am talking about in the sim and our simpits as opposed to RL, obviously the system works very well in reality, or it would not still be in use

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2 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

yeah, I  am talking about in the sim and our simpits as opposed to RL, obviously the system works very well in reality, or it would not still be in use

No reason not have the armrest in a simpit. It is rather trickier with a desk setup. This and cost are probably why WW and RS both have reduced forces with RS working on improving theirs for use with very low force.

 

On 12/2/2022 at 2:14 PM, Gunfreak said:

Acording to this this the real stick has pich up of 25lb (11.3398) a pitch down of 16lb (7.2kg) and left and right roll of 17lb(7.7kg)

Yet the sim app tro only goes up to 6kg, so what gives? at 6kg at roll to the right is very hard would be even harder at 7.7kg(not that you can add that.

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Getting the balance of movement and forces set up nicely in SAP is key....what do you have yours set at? 

 

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