A quick precise alignment special option would be nice =)

[Ephedrin]

Cheers everyone

and congratulations to ED for an extremely nice release and a beautiful model of an amazing helicopter. This detail is incredible, have you guys took a close look at the rotor head? Oh... My... Gosh... WOW!

 

Anyway, dear ED, it would be absolutely great if you guys could implement a special option for a fast long alignment. I get the desire for maximum realism and I do like to learn all kind of aircraft systems as well, I really do, but 20 minutes for a precise alignment is, to be blunt, not exactly family friendly. When I want to do a nice flight with my squadron comrades and have to wait for 20 minutes for a precise alignment the evening is over before we actually take off. We have a family, we fly on online servers where you might get shot down not only once in your life and waiting 20 minutes for a precise alignment is not feasible for casual spare time use.

 

Razbam has an option for their Harrier to align the system immediately if desired. It would be great if you could do that for the BS3 as well. Yes, it's not realistic, I get that. But drinking a beer and lauging about silly jokes in discord isn't either, right? That's why it's an option

 

Thanks for consideration

 

Happy landings!

Edited December 17, 2022 by Ephedrin

[rrasfly2]

I think a cool idea would be to have the option to show to the aircraft with the alignment already done. They already have an option to choose what quality of alignment was accomplished if you spawn in hot. I doubt the real pilots just sit there for 20 minutes before every flight. They probably have the ground crew do the alignment as part of the preflight checks and then show up when it’s done. 

[Japo32]

If it would be 7-8 minutes then that is more "realistic" for us. An instant aligment would rip off the fast aligment option. But also I have to say, that with the problems we usually have in our group about starting spawn points were people crash their planes and other issue, 20 minutes is nothing to wait XDD

[mtd2811]

+1


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[Dragon1-1]

FYI, you don't need precise alignment at all. You're not using GPS-guided weapons, and normal alignment takes a lot less time. I don't know what the use case is for precision alignment, but I doubt it's very common IRL.

[Ephedrin]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb Dragon1-1:

and normal alignment takes a lot less time

I don't NEED normal alignment either to throw rockets around. But "Measured absolute inertial velocity components" seems like an important factor to me when it comes to inertial navigation, unless I missunderstand its meaning.

I don't really get the relation(s) between INU alignment(s) and ABRIS as well as the autopilot and datalink targets yet, so it might turn out all that is really not necessary but during my last two flights I was observing my heading on the whiskey compass and HSI more than my surroundings and had top correct my heading every two or three minutes. And I was not able to align on the moving Tarawa at all (although it could be that that's not possible anyway when moving)

Edited December 17, 2022 by Ephedrin

[Dragon1-1]

ABRIS uses GLONASS satellite navigation, and as such, shouldn't care about INS drift. The INS itself doesn't, and that's where alignment quality might come in, but unless you're going on a very long mission with no opportunity to take a fix, normal alignment should be all you'll ever need.

As for Tarawa, you can't align the Ka-50 INS on a moving ship, since it wasn't made for shipborne operations. The Apache has a special way of doing that, and most actual naval aircraft handle this by a cable connection with the carrier (or datalink over the radio), but naval operations are, as far as Russians are concerned, a marginal concern.

[Ephedrin]

Jup I noticed that the Abris wouldn' move at all in a non GPS environment and just read the manual about it. I'll have a look at what actually misses if at all when I use the fast alignment in a GPS world and will probably just go with that until we might have a faster option. I'll see.

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Ephedrin

[randomTOTEN]

You should also check out INU position updates, and using the Latitude correction for the gyro system. Could give you extra immersion for your "nice flights" instead of just demanding a shortcut.

There's a training mission for INU updates too...

[Yeti42]

Other aircraft modules have this kind of INU shortcut, I can't see why the KA-50 can't also have one.   I'm all for realism but this is a simulator after all, please let us just fly the thing without having to worry about INU drift.

[randomTOTEN]

1 hour ago, Yeti42 said:

Other aircraft modules have this kind of INU shortcut,

Viper doesn't.

Hornet doesn't.

Warthog C and C2 don't.

I thought the Mirage had it, but just checked and it appears to be gone.

[Ephedrin]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb randomTOTEN:

Viper doesn't.

Hornet doesn't.

Warthog C and C2 don't.

I thought the Mirage had it, but just checked and it appears to be gone.

They don't take 15/20 minutes for a full alignment and you're free to start the jets up in the meantime and program your route etc. You can't do anything (!) in the Ka50 while it aligns, it will only sit there untouched.

[randomTOTEN]

4 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

. You can't do anything (!) in the Ka50 while it aligns, it will only sit there untouched.

You can absolutely program your route and other systems during the alignment. You just can't start your engines (which my understanding is that it's possibly accurate for all the modules, not just the 50).

It's a moot point anyways. I just found the "Fast Alignment" option in the ME. So OP's feature request is already enabled.

EDIT: You can also completely disable the realistic INS.

Edited December 18, 2022 by randomTOTEN

[Ephedrin]

Gerade eben schrieb randomTOTEN:

You can absolutely program your route and other systems during the alignment. You just can't start your engines (which my understanding is that it's possibly accurate for all the modules, not just the 50).

It's a moot point anyways. I just found the "Fast Alignment" option in the ME. So OP's feature request is already enabled.

You're in "oper" mode while you align, you're in enter mode when you type in your waypoints. If you leave operation mode the alignment fails.

The Fast alignment in ME appears to be a hot start option, I tried that before I posted. A cold and dark cockpit takes 15 minutes for a normal alignment WHICH IS REQUIRED if you want to use datalink with a wingman.

It's a request for a special option, don't tick it if you don't want it and move on please.

[randomTOTEN]

5 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

The Fast alignment in ME appears to be a hot start option,

Yeah I just realized that too, unfortunately. So your options right now are to disable the entire realistic INS, hot start, or wait out 15-20 min.  You can still program the ABRIS,

Where'd you find the information about the DataLlink limitation?

[Ephedrin]

Gerade eben schrieb randomTOTEN:

So your options right now are to disable the entire realistic INS, hot start

That's not an option unfortunately since our Squadron's policy is cold start ^^ I know, self made problems lol

vor 1 Minute schrieb randomTOTEN:

Where'd you find the information about the DataLlink limitation?

tried it out. When the fast alignment is used the wingman is km's off on the Abris.

[randomTOTEN]

8 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

When the fast alignment is used the wingman is km's off on the Abris.

Did you guys try an INU fix update first?

[LorenLuke]

13 hours ago, randomTOTEN said:

Viper doesn't.

Hornet doesn't.

They literally have options to align from a stored heading.
In the Viper just hit ICP enter after switching to ground align, and PB19 on the MPCD immediately after going to ground align on the Hornet.

[SlipHavoc]

On 12/18/2022 at 10:21 AM, Ephedrin said:

When the fast alignment is used the wingman is km's off on the Abris.

I haven't had a chance to test the BS3 in MP yet, but I did find this bit in the manual, page 519:

"Erroneous transmissions and inaccurate ABRIS positions will be displayed on the ABRIS if
other players join with the same ID’s that are on the same frequency."

[CageyLobster]

This!  The INU prep isn't even part of chapter 9 in either the BS1 or BS2 manual. I don't know what the equivalent of a dedicated crew chief is in the VVS, but I can't imagine an operator stepping to his airframe without the INU alignment being done or started at the very least.  It also can't be done with engines running.  This is all stuff that should be done by the maintenance crew prior to pilot step.  Everything about this says "Maint crew function during preflight prior to aircrew step" 

It's cool it's a process, but it should definitely be something that's toggled in the mission editor.  15-20 minutes is a lot of time to do absolutely nothing.

[Bashibazouk]

I agree that an option for rapid/pre-aligned would be nice. When learning how to start a module, it's helpful to not have to wait for a long align process, at the moment we have all or nothing (as in hot start) and we don't get the choice with purchased campaigns, although I await the designers choices when/if the KA50 II campaigns are updated. Maybe they'll give us hotstarts to sidestep this longer alignment process?

BTW, I don't do multiplayer, a (hopefully temporary) eyesight problem precludes me flying anything where I can't have dots/labels at the moment but I can imagine it might be frustrating for some, people with less time, for example, who have to sit on their hands for nine minutes before going through the startup procedure. For me, it's just a bit dull and I don't like hitting the time acceleration too much.

For me, the ideal would be three choices -

• cold
• cold engine but battery on and aligned (maybe the precision align - I understand that with this full alignment the INU takes longer to drift so this choice would enable fewer INU updates too).
• hot.