"jUsT fLy YoUR JeT BeTtEr..."

[peakfirearm]

I still run into a lot of people in multiplayer that say in server chat claiming or thinking the HBF14B is amazing from a performance perspective at 1v1 guns BFM. That has not been my personal experience for nearly 3 years now. Seems I get outrated by everything, I can’t energy fight can’t do anything where I have an edge or advantage in HBF14B. You name the BFM DACT gameplan, I’m gonna be outperformed in HBF14B where prior to 3 years ago, it was a completely different story. Am I living in some kind of alternate reality compared to every other person who flies the HBF14B DACT 1v1 guns?

Beyond HB significantly decreasing F110 afterburner thrust below mach 0.7(right in the heart of F14B ideal maximal turnrate corner speed), decreasing lift, and significantly increasing F14 airframe drag, what are the possible reasons for this?

Is it possible I have been sentenced to my individual F14B module having an especially terribly underperfroming HBF14B flight model for my being such a “detestable insufferable thorn” in the side of everyone in DCS?

Is it possible the flight model of the specific HBF14B module I own is different than that of every other person’s HBF14B module’s flight model?

Is it possible another party I'm unaware of has altered my HBF14B flight model in some aspect or capacity?

Is it possible that server admins are able to alter a specific module’s performance within their mission design?

Is it possible that multiplayer server admins are able to dynamically selectively change flight model characteristics within a multiplayer session for clients within their server they favor and those that they despise?

When I get salty at 1v1 guns the high and mighty people I’m flying against say to me all the time “just fly your jet better…” which doesn’t make sense to me because if I’m flying my best corner speed/ideal turnrate speed doing every thing I can to survive/get the kill/win yet I’m still being outrated by 5 degrees per second what else can I do?(you’d think hornet/eagle/viper/mirage/flanker bois would remember being in a similar position in 2019 seems no one has any recollection of that must be conveniently selective memory) Or I’m in the vertical trying to energy fight somebody in multiplayer that’s doing simple flight model AI boomerang loop garbage what am I supposed to do? 

 

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[GGTharos]

Flying at best corner/ideal turnrate is the most benign BFM you can do to another pilot.

So the short answer to all your questions is, learn BFM, not just corner/best rate speeds.

  It isn't easy and I don't know that there are a whole lot of actual resources for this out there.  You're already familiar with the tip-of-the-iceberg basics, it's time to go beyond them and consider bleeding your speed, pointing to be more threatening, doing real-time bandit relative speed/energy position, lift vector placement analysis and acting on all that.  Flying in relation to your bandit is reactive initially, until you figure out how to judge at least those things, and figuring out what to do about them.

Just holding best rate is nothing but flying a simple circle.

'Going vertical' as meant by gamers isn't really energy fighting, it's just a small part of it.

[Stackup]

I don't know what everyone else does, but a lot of the 1v1 guns I do against AI or players in either Tomcat involves dropping the flaps at some point.  This will generally break the airframe if you are going too fast but can increase your turn rate or slow speed handling for just long enough to snag the kill.  I tend to only do this below 230kts to avoid having the flaps get stuck out.  Nobody can or has altered your flight model in any way besides HeatBlur whenever they make an update.  Nor will that specifically target any client.  If you feel otherwise about server admins, look for a server that requires pure client, etc. but they can't change the performance of one particular player.  In any case, if an aircraft that can out rate you is flown properly, guess what?  It will in fact out rate you.  At the end of the day, especially in 1v1 guns the outcome will usually come down to who is the better pilot.  That's how experienced A-4 and F-5 pilots could beat Tomcat pilots in dogfights during the initial part of Top Gun training.  The rookies hadn't fully grasped all the concepts yet and so a superior pilot in an inferior airplane was able to beat the inferior pilot in the superior plane.  Learn the plane and its quirks first but also remember to learn about the planes you are fighting against as well.  What are they better at than you? What are you better at than them?  At the end of the day, you probably just need more practice and to try some new techniques out.

[peakfirearm]

1 minute ago, GGTharos said:

Flying at best corner/ideal turnrate is the most benign BFM you can do to another pilot.

So the short answer to all your questions is, learn BFM, not just corner/best rate speeds.

  It isn't easy and I don't know that there are a whole lot of actual resources for this out there.  You're already familiar with the tip-of-the-iceberg basics, it's time to go beyond them and consider bleeding your speed, pointing to be more threatening, doing real-time bandit relative speed/energy position, lift vector placement analysis and acting on all that.  Flying in relation to your bandit is reactive initially, until you figure out how to judge at least those things, and figuring out what to do about them.

Just holding best rate is nothing but flying a simple circle.

'Going vertical' as meant by gamers isn't really energy fighting, it's just a small part of it.

I mean I could merge faster fly faster whatever, but what am I supposed to do if whatever 4G DACT opponent is still wrecking me from a energy retention/cleaner aero FM/less draggy FM/radius/rate etc? sure I guess I could just try to cash in everything I have for a snapshot, in my experience that's a 1/100 chance I connect on that gunshot. In guns DACT if the opponent can "keep me G'd up" then bleed me down to nothing every time whether it be in the horizontal/vertical/some combo of both and can also outrate me 2C out point me 1C out pipper me with laser accurate gunsight,  what are my options? Throw in the towel? Give up on F14 BFM? In F14B I used to be able to control the fight, now in F14B I'm the fish in the barrel.

[peakfirearm]

14 minutes ago, Stackup said:

I don't know what everyone else does, but a lot of the 1v1 guns I do against AI or players in either Tomcat involves dropping the flaps at some point.  This will generally break the airframe if you are going too fast but can increase your turn rate or slow speed handling for just long enough to snag the kill.  I tend to only do this below 230kts to avoid having the flaps get stuck out.  Nobody can or has altered your flight model in any way besides HeatBlur whenever they make an update.  Nor will that specifically target any client.  If you feel otherwise about server admins, look for a server that requires pure client, etc. but they can't change the performance of one particular player.  In any case, if an aircraft that can out rate you is flown properly, guess what?  It will in fact out rate you.  At the end of the day, especially in 1v1 guns the outcome will usually come down to who is the better pilot.  That's how experienced A-4 and F-5 pilots could beat Tomcat pilots in dogfights during the initial part of Top Gun training.  The rookies hadn't fully grasped all the concepts yet and so a superior pilot in an inferior airplane was able to beat the inferior pilot in the superior plane.  Learn the plane and its quirks first but also remember to learn about the planes you are fighting against as well.  What are they better at than you? What are you better at than them?  At the end of the day, you probably just need more practice and to try some new techniques out.

IMHO BFM vs AI isn't even remotely in the same ballpark as pvp 1v1 guns. Yeah, I can drop the flaps in F14B. Yeah it breaks the jet. In pvp multiplayer, no it doesn't help me as far as getting me a competitive/slightly superior rate/radius/slow speed maneuvering advantage/pointability. Maybe if HB hadn't have decreased F110 ab thrust below M0.7, decreased lift, and increased airframe drag F14B would still have a chance with only maneuver flaps the way it used to.

25 minutes ago, GGTharos said:

Flying at best corner/ideal turnrate is the most benign BFM you can do to another pilot.

So the short answer to all your questions is, learn BFM, not just corner/best rate speeds.

  It isn't easy and I don't know that there are a whole lot of actual resources for this out there.  You're already familiar with the tip-of-the-iceberg basics, it's time to go beyond them and consider bleeding your speed, pointing to be more threatening, doing real-time bandit relative speed/energy position, lift vector placement analysis and acting on all that.  Flying in relation to your bandit is reactive initially, until you figure out how to judge at least those things, and figuring out what to do about them.

Just holding best rate is nothing but flying a simple circle.

'Going vertical' as meant by gamers isn't really energy fighting, it's just a small part of it.

like if a 4G DACT opponent can turn tighter faster with higher sustained g with less drag while losing less energy than me in every regime/bfm gameplan what am I supposed to do? isn't that the entire name of the game of 1v1 guns bfm? IMHO cashing everything in burning all my energy for a snapshot is a last ditch desperation move where I have a high chance of missing then winding up low slow and dead

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[DSplayer]

Is this you? https://forum.dcs.world/profile/134719-citybfm/
 

You seem to have similar mannerisms, especially regarding F-14 BFM performance.

[Stackup]

8 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

Maybe if HB hadn't have decreased F110 ab thrust below M0.7, decreased lift, and increased airframe drag F14B would still have a chance with only maneuver flaps the way it used to.

Every change they make is to improve realism.  They won't change it back unless you have substantial real world evidence to back it up.  Complaining about it will get you nowhere.  Practicing with the "new" flight model will help you improve.

[peakfirearm]

2 minutes ago, Stackup said:

Every change they make is to improve realism.  They won't change it back unless you have substantial real world evidence to back it up.  Complaining about it will get you nowhere.  Practicing with the "new" flight model will help you improve.

maybe it'll help me improve in different module with more capable performance?

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[Stackup]

3 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

maybe it'll help me improve in different module with more capable performance?

Maybe what will?  Practice?

[peakfirearm]

Did HB trade HBF14B 2019 flight model with ED 2019 Hornet flight model? So now the present day HB F14B FM has 2019 Hornet FM and present day Hornet has 2019 HBF14B flight model?

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[peakfirearm]

14 minutes ago, Stackup said:

Every change they make is to improve realism.  They won't change it back unless you have substantial real world evidence to back it up.  Complaining about it will get you nowhere.  Practicing with the "new" flight model will help you improve.

man I'd love to have that evidence so my F14B could be awesome again in my lil crappy worthless departed reality but it's like hunting bigfoot

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[GGTharos]

19 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

like if a 4G DACT opponent can turn tighter faster with higher sustained g with less drag while losing less energy than me in every regime/bfm gameplan what am I supposed to do? isn't that the entire name of the game of 1v1 guns bfm? IMHO cashing everything in burning all my energy for a snapshot is a last ditch desperation move where I have a high chance of missing then winding up low slow and dead

I'm not suggesting cashing everything for a snapshot.  The BFM world is not an all or nothing proposition - can you out-accelerate your bandit?  Up high?  Down low?  Does y our wing perform better at certain speeds wrt turning or climbing?  Can you slowly bleed him down?  Can you maintain an offensive position in the fight?   Bleed your speed as needed, accelerate again and eat away angles.   Bleed his energy and start stacking higher than him - if you're slow, he might be too so don't dive for speed.

Everything you do is informed by your jet's performance but only as it relates to the bandit's position and performance at that point in time.   Some bandits will be harder to BFM than others straight up from a performance perspective.   That's where BFM skill comes in, the ability to judge what the bandit is doing and the knowledge of what you're going to do about it (and what you are going to force him to do).

Merge faster?  What for?   It just opens up the turning room - unless  you want that.   Want to go one circle?  You don't need to be fast.   Is he faster than you?  One circle at the merge, but do it right.   Flying aircraft is about finesse, not about applying the simple stuff you read here.  There's literally not a single thing I can tell you that will help you win.  BFM requires a lot of things to come together on your part.  If you can only get better by picking up a better air-frame, the problem is skill related.

[peakfirearm]

12 minutes ago, GGTharos said:

I'm not suggesting cashing everything for a snapshot.  The BFM world is not an all or nothing proposition - can you out-accelerate your bandit?  Up high?  Down low?  Does y our wing perform better at certain speeds wrt turning or climbing?  Can you slowly bleed him down?  Can you maintain an offensive position in the fight?   Bleed your speed as needed, accelerate again and eat away angles.   Bleed his energy and start stacking higher than him - if you're slow, he might be too so don't dive for speed.

Everything you do is informed by your jet's performance but only as it relates to the bandit's position and performance at that point in time.   Some bandits will be harder to BFM than others straight up from a performance perspective.   That's where BFM skill comes in, the ability to judge what the bandit is doing and the knowledge of what you're going to do about it (and what you are going to force him to do).

Merge faster?  What for?   It just opens up the turning room - unless  you want that.   Want to go one circle?  You don't need to be fast.   Is he faster than you?  One circle at the merge, but do it right.   Flying aircraft is about finesse, not about applying the simple stuff you read here.  There's literally not a single thing I can tell you that will help you win.  BFM requires a lot of things to come together on your part.  If you can only get better by picking up a better air-frame, the problem is skill related.

nope 1v1 guns pvp in F14B vs competent DACT 4G opponents not winning in any regime at any speed at any altitude. have no advantage anywhere at any time in any configuration. not out climbing out turning out accelerating out retaining energy out less dragging anyone. hence the asking different ways my specific F14B module flight model is broken or seems to significantly differ from claims of the masses(whether that is bc dev, bc mission design, bc biased realtime server admin actions within mp session) when everyone else seems to think it's the greatest performing thing of all time

My F14B flight model is just a eagle dynamics heatblur razbam deka mk-ultra psyop experiment

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[Stackup]

10 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

man I'd love to have that evidence so my F14B could be awesome again in my lil crappy worthless departed reality but it's like hunting bigfoot

I'm sure you would.  Becoming a better pilot is clearly too much of an inconvenience for you.

6 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

My F14B flight model is just a eagle dynamics heatblur razbam deka psyop experiment

This really tells me all I need to know, but for the record, your F-14B is exactly the same as everyone else's.  

[peakfirearm]

1 minute ago, Stackup said:

I'm sure you would.  Becoming a better pilot is clearly too much of an inconvenience for you.

This really tells me all I need to know, but for the record, your F-14B is exactly the same as everyone else's.  

it's like airframe capability is a nonfactor

1 minute ago, Stackup said:

I'm sure you would.  Becoming a better pilot is clearly too much of an inconvenience for you.

This really tells me all I need to know, but for the record, your F-14B is exactly the same as everyone else's.  

airframe capability accounts for nothing

2 minutes ago, Stackup said:

I'm sure you would.  Becoming a better pilot is clearly too much of an inconvenience for you.

This really tells me all I need to know, but for the record, your F-14B is exactly the same as everyone else's.  

"just don't suck at life"

essentially same thing as telling a hobo to stop being poor

[DD_Fenrir]

Looks like you’re not actually interested in learning anything from these discussions or - god forbid - improving your own skill set; you ‘re just here to <profanity> on the HB flight model because it doesn’t pander to you.

So, on that note, and to mirror the unremittingly passive aggressive tone you’ve adopted I think the only appropriate response is:

“Awww, poor baby. Did the bad man take your copium?”

[peakfirearm]

12 minutes ago, Stackup said:

I'm sure you would.  Becoming a better pilot is clearly too much of an inconvenience for you.

This really tells me all I need to know, but for the record, your F-14B is exactly the same as everyone else's.  

 not an ounce actionable advice. just a simple "stop sucking at flying dcs BFM"

7 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Looks like you’re not actually interested in learning anything from these discussions or - god forbid - improving your own skill set; you ‘re just here to <profanity> on the HB flight model because it doesn’t pander to you.

So, on that note, and to mirror the unremittingly passive aggressive tone you’ve adopted I think the only appropriate response is:

“Awww, poor baby. Did the bad man take your copium?”

ahktually, hb flight model panders to F15, F16, F18, M2KC, Su27 crowd

7 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Looks like you’re not actually interested in learning anything from these discussions or - god forbid - improving your own skill set; you ‘re just here to <profanity> on the HB flight model because it doesn’t pander to you.

So, on that note, and to mirror the unremittingly passive aggressive tone you’ve adopted I think the only appropriate response is:

“Awww, poor baby. Did the bad man take your copium?”

but what is there to learn from someone saying "practice more learn to fly better"? not like anyone threw the "Comprehensive F14B DACT 1v1 guns BFM playbook" at me. I just get a bunch of meaningless nebulous passive aggressive internet forum guy gitgud nonsense about get better/don't suck like you do now

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[Stackup]

9 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

ahktually, hb flight model panders to F15, F16, F18, M2KC, Su27 crowd

Opinion without evidence is not fact.  I can think of countless times that HB devs have reiterated that accuracy is their only concern when making changes to their modules.

 

9 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

but what is there to learn from someone saying "practice more learn to fly better"? not like anyone threw the "Comprehensive F14B DACT 1v1 guns BFM playbook" at me. I just get a bunch of meaningless nebulous passive aggressive internet forum guy nonsense about get better/don't suck like you do now

I don't think there's any advice I could give you tbh.  You continually blame the airplane and the devs/FM for your troubles which tells me you think the jet sucks and there's no way it can win.  It also makes me think that this situation would happen with any plane you chose to fly if you got beat.  It would never be your skills at fault, only excuses like the plane sucks or the devs suck.  And then on top of that, you reject every suggestion given by anyone in this thread.  You want actionable advice?  I suggest beat the AI.  I know it isn't the same as PvP but you will stay alive longer and can even set them to hold fire so they can't shoot.  This might further increase your ability to predict your opponent's moves and how best to counter them.  Alternatively you could read real world documentation on the subject and see what you can learn but you will not get better if you complain on forums instead of spending that time actually flying the plane.  You can't get better at something if you never do it.

[peakfirearm]

 

2 minutes ago, Stackup said:

Opinion without evidence is not fact.  I can think of countless times that HB devs have reiterated that accuracy is their only concern when making changes to their modules.

 

I don't think there's any advice I could give you tbh.  You continually blame the airplane and the devs/FM for your troubles which tells me you think the jet sucks and there's no way it can win.  It also makes me think that this situation would happen with any plane you chose to fly if you got beat.  It would never be your skills at fault, only excuses like the plane sucks or the devs suck.  And then on top of that, you reject every suggestion given by anyone in this thread.  You want actionable advice?  I suggest beat the AI.  I know it isn't the same as PvP but you will stay alive longer and can even set them to hold fire so they can't shoot.  This might further increase your ability to predict your opponent's moves and how best to counter them.  Alternatively you could read real world documentation on the subject and see what you can learn but you will not get better if you complain on forums instead of spending that time actually flying the plane.  You can't get better at something if you never do it.

AI is a joke dude. It has no relevance or carryover to PVP BFM

[kablamoman]

OP, it sounds like you've come to the conclusion that the module isn't as competitive as it used to be in the specific and controlled environment of online competitive BFM.

You may well be correct in that assessment, and I would think trends showing top players having consistent results and top rankings with certain planes would either support or invalidate that contention.

The better question is, why do you care what other players think?

It's a subset of an internet gaming community focused on competitive aspects, and if you've spent any time in such groups, you must be well aware of the fact that 90% of players don't know what they're talking about, and there will always be someone to insist a certain weapon or vehicle is competitive when it's clearly not. Or conversely that some load out or class is balanced when it's clearly overpowered in relation to other choices.

At the end of the day, with players of comparable skill levels, the actual performance of a vehicle or weapon or class in a game environment will have an impact on outcome despite Top Gun fans claiming it's "the man in the box". Best to just move on and fly something you feel is more effective, if what you care about is winning.

[peakfirearm]

12 minutes ago, kablamoman said:

OP, it sounds like you've come to the conclusion that the module isn't as competitive as it used to be in the specific and controlled environment of online competitive BFM.

You may well be correct in that assessment, and I would think trends showing top players having consistent results and top rankings with certain planes would either support or invalidate that contention.

The better question is, why do you care what other players think?

It's a subset of an internet gaming community focused on competitive aspects, and if you've spent any time in such groups, you must be well aware of the fact that 90% of players don't know what they're talking about, and there will always be someone to insist a certain weapon or vehicle is competitive when it's clearly not. Or conversely that some load out or class is balanced when it's clearly overpowered in relation to other choices.

At the end of the day, with players of comparable skill levels, the actual performance of a vehicle or weapon or class in a game environment will have an impact on outcome despite Top Gun fans claiming it's "the man in the box". Best to just move on and fly something you feel is more effective, if what you care about is winning.

This is maybe the least adversarial least derogatory least derisive most reasonable sounding thing I've ever heard anyone respond to me within the various flavors of DCS themed forums/discussion boards/discords.

The most frustrating thing about the last sentence you wrote is the claims by HB/ED/Razbam/Deka that the F14,F15,F16, F18, Su27, M2KC, JF17, whatever module is released into the future is the most accurate realistic in a sim ever the closest they all can be to reality. they existed for years a certain way then with a single update, boom paradigm shift as far as how massively dramatic the changes are and the inversion reshuffling of things while HB/ED/Razbam/3pd's still continue their claims of accuracy, realism, concern for detail. "You can tell 100 truths, yet if you tell a single lie..."

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[Despayre]

45 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

it's like airframe capability is a nonfactor

airframe capability accounts for nothing

"just don't suck at life"

essentially same thing as telling a hobo to stop being poor

No, it's essentially the same as saying "Stop whining". 

You have the same aircraft with the same parameters as everyone else. It is *possible* you're having problems because you're running on a PC that cannot handle the demands of the game, but assuming the problem you're having is somehow game-related, and not due to any external factors, it's the pilot. Otherwise, there wouldn't be lots of videos on Youtube showing exactly what you claim is impossible to do.

[peakfirearm]

I'd love to see Ward Carroll or some fmr F14 guy like that fly a HBF-14B go up against some high middle tier F15, F16, F18, M2KC, Su27 guy from pvp guns only guy that only flies 1v1 pvp guns bfm in config you find in a mission for a server like something JustDogfight 1v1 slots or DCS Dogfighters 1v1 slots then broadcast it live. it'll never happen. clean light f15, f16, f18, etc vs F14B at 12.0 internal fuel and no aim54 rails.

6 minutes ago, Despayre said:

No, it's essentially the same as saying "Stop whining". 

You have the same aircraft with the same parameters as everyone else. It is *possible* you're having problems because you're running on a PC that cannot handle the demands of the game, but assuming the problem you're having is somehow game-related, and not due to any external factors, it's the pilot. Otherwise, there wouldn't be lots of videos on Youtube showing exactly what you claim is impossible to do.

those videos were either made 3+ years ago or are canned not out in the wild of dcs multiplayer

Edited December 24, 2022 by peakfirearm

[kablamoman]

13 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

The most frustrating thing about the last sentence you wrote is the claims by HB/ED/Razbam/Deka that the F14,F15,F16, F18, Su27, M2KC, JF17, whatever module is released into the future is the most accurate realistic in a sim ever the closest they all can be to reality. they existed for years a certain way then with a single update, boom paradigm shift as far as how massively dramatic the changes are and the inversion reshuffling of things while HB/ED/Razbam/3pd's still continue their claims of accuracy, realism, concern for detail. "You can tell 100 truths, yet if you tell a single lie..."

To be clear, I am not advocating that HB change the FM in any way.

If through all the research and development they've concluded that the current iteration of FM is the best and most accurate depiction of the aircraft they can provide -- then I think they've done their job. I think that is what most customers want: Accuracy; not something that is specifically designed to win make-believe games online.

There's is nothing that says a finely detailed model of the aircraft that is true-to-life has to "meta compete" with other modules. For one thing, HB has no control over how other teams model their aircraft, and has no control over how realistically modeled, underpowered, or overpowered they may end up being in relation to the Tomcat.

You have an opinion that it can't compete unless there is a huge pilot skill disparity in its favor, and you may well be right. So what?

 

Edited December 24, 2022 by kablamoman

[Yannick Pancake]

2 hours ago, peakfirearm said:

I still run into a lot of people in multiplayer that say in server chat claiming or thinking the HBF14B is amazing from a performance perspective at 1v1 guns BFM. That has not been my personal experience for nearly 3 years now. Seems I get outrated by everything, I can’t energy fight can’t do anything where I have an edge or advantage in HBF14B. You name the BFM DACT gameplan, I’m gonna be outperformed in HBF14B where prior to 3 years ago, it was a completely different story. Am I living in some kind of alternate reality compared to every other person who flies the HBF14B DACT 1v1 guns?

Beyond HB significantly decreasing F110 afterburner thrust below mach 0.7(right in the heart of F14B ideal maximal turnrate corner speed), decreasing lift, and significantly increasing F14 airframe drag, what are the possible reasons for this?

Is it possible I have been sentenced to my individual F14B module having an especially terribly underperfroming HBF14B flight model for my being such a “detestable insufferable thorn” in the side of everyone in DCS?

Is it possible the flight model of the specific HBF14B module I own is different than that of every other person’s HBF14B module’s flight model?

Is it possible another party I'm unaware of has altered my HBF14B flight model in some aspect or capacity?

Is it possible that server admins are able to alter a specific module’s performance within their mission design?

Is it possible that multiplayer server admins are able to dynamically selectively change flight model characteristics within a multiplayer session for clients within their server they favor and those that they despise?

When I get salty at 1v1 guns the high and mighty people I’m flying against say to me all the time “just fly your jet better…” which doesn’t make sense to me because if I’m flying my best corner speed/ideal turnrate speed doing every thing I can to survive/get the kill/win yet I’m still being outrated by 5 degrees per second what else can I do?(you’d think hornet/eagle/viper/mirage/flanker bois would remember being in a similar position in 2019 seems no one has any recollection of that must be conveniently selective memory) Or I’m in the vertical trying to energy fight somebody in multiplayer that’s doing simple flight model AI boomerang loop garbage what am I supposed to do? 

 

 

For me it sounds like you're behind the power curve... happened to a few trainees of me too

 

32 minutes ago, peakfirearm said:

 

AI is a joke dude. It has no relevance or carryover to PVP BFM

Btw. it has, you can learn to try to predict your opponents...