X.M.P. Active = Game Crash ?

[TheConqueror]

 X.M.P. I activated your profile and it crashed 3-4 times. And it locks directly. Even discord freezes in the background. X.M.P. Seems like I was getting fewer crashes when inactive. I'm not sure. What could be the reason for this? 
By the way, the crash can occur after playing the game for 1-2 hours.

Windows 11
i9-12900K
32 GB DDR5 RAM 5200 MHz
RTX 3080 

dcs.20230108-223139.crash dcs.log debrief.log

[grasnabe]

it could be a reason the Ram works not stable enough.....
So i have a semilar Problem with my DDR4-4000 on XMP....
So i Adjust the Voltages a little bit higher and Test the Stabilitiy with Memtest86 ( is the best program for this)

Downloading Memtest86 put it on a USB-Stick with the Installer. Boot from it and Run the test, with no other options as the standard ones....

Let it run for about a hour.... when it pass the ram works stable.. and the problem is a other one...

https://www.memtest86.com/

A Few games are very senible with Overcklocking and running the Components on the limit .... 

 

A Good Tutorial of this :

 

Greets

Edited January 9, 2023 by grasnabe

[silverdevil]

25 minutes ago, TheConqueror said:

 X.M.P. I activated your profile and it crashed 3-4 times. And it locks directly. Even discord freezes in the background. X.M.P. Seems like I was getting fewer crashes when inactive. I'm not sure. What could be the reason for this? 
By the way, the crash can occur after playing the game for 1-2 hours.

Windows 11
i9-12900K
32 GB DDR5 RAM 5200 MHz
RTX 3080 

dcs.20230108-223139.crash 1.1 kB · 2 downloads dcs.log 381.96 kB · 1 download debrief.log 15.74 kB · 2 downloads

i got an alienware during covid in April 21. the system advertised that it was 3400 XMP. i did a memory test on the system after a few months and realized that the memory was running at a slower speed. i contacted dell and they walked me through updating the system BIOS needed before the XMP. i did that, set the XMP. never any memory problems before of after the change. perhaps you need the system BIOS updated.

[79Au]

Yeah make sure the memory gets enough votage. Check if BIOS/profile settings match the specifications of the memory. If the memory won't run at correct voltage and speed/timings, you could A) send it back as defective/unstable, or B)  (that's what I did if I remember correctly), to manually increase the voltage a bit (0.05V-0.1V) and maybe you get "lucky".

edit Yes that's how "it works" these days. Unless you manually acivate the XMP profiles, the memory will run at a much lower speed. But yeah on a prebuilt machine it should be set up before the PC leaves the factory.

edit2 But don't confuse internal clock and effective/"marketing" clock speeds, some monitoring tools read the "true" I/O clock which is half the advertised marketing value that takes DDR into account. A 3600 kit will show up as 1800MHz in CPU-Z for example.

Edited January 9, 2023 by 79Au

[TheConqueror]

38 minutes ago, grasnabe said:

Ram'in yeterince kararlı çalışmamasının bir nedeni olabilir..... Bu yüzden XMP'de
DDR4-4000'imle ilgili bir sorunum var.
bunun için en iyi program)

Memtest86'yı indirerek, Yükleyici ile bir USB Çubuğuna yerleştirin. Ondan önyükleyin ve testi çalıştırın, standart seçeneklerden başka seçenek yok....

1 saat kadar çalıştıralım.... geçince ram stabil çalışıyor.. ve sorun başka...

https://www.memtest86.com/

Hız Kilitleme ve Bileşenleri sınırda çalıştırma ile birkaç oyun çok duyarlıdır .... 

 

Bunun İyi Bir Öğreticisi :

 

selamlar

 

I installed it on USB, but I try to open it in the boot menu and it does not run.

 

[TheConqueror]

25 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

i got an alienware during covid in April 21. the system advertised that it was 3400 XMP. i did a memory test on the system after a few months and realized that the memory was running at a slower speed. i contacted dell and they walked me through updating the system BIOS needed before the XMP. i did that, set the XMP. never any memory problems before of after the change. perhaps you need the system BIOS updated.

 

22 minutes ago, 79Au said:

Yeah make sure the memory gets enough votage. Check if BIOS/profile settings match the specifications of the memory. If the memory won't run at correct voltage and speed/timings, you could A) send it back as defective/unstable, or B)  (that's what I did if I remember correctly), to manually increase the voltage a bit (0.05V-0.1V) and maybe you get "lucky".

edit Yes that's how "it works" these days. Unless you manually acivate the XMP profiles, the memory will run at a much lower speed. But yeah on a prebuilt machine it should be set up before the PC leaves the factory.

edit2 But don't confuse internal clock and effective/"marketing" clock speeds, some monitoring tools read the "true" I/O clock which is half the advertised marketing value that takes DDR into account. A 3600 kit will show up as 1800MHz in CPU-Z for example.

 

Do you think anything is wrong?

[79Au]

Haha, I'm a bit out of the loop, especially when it comes to DDR5, but what I noticed right away, there shouldn't be so many XMP profiles, there should only be one or two, the ones that are stored inside you memory kit. (on picture #2) To me it looks like it's a seletion of generic profiles for different chip manufacturers. Weird, maybe that's some kind of feature.

Now, the line below the selected item/drop down menu says "Extreme Memory Profile(X.M.P.)", maybe that's where the correct profiles appear.

I can't see exactly what memory kit you're using. There should be some kind of product number but it doesn't seem to appear in any of the pictures. My G skill memory would be called something like "F4-3600C17D-32GTZR". You need to identify your RAM kit and google it, and compare/set the values accordingly. I'd look it up and see what the specifications are.

The last number of the XMP profile name in picture #2 seems to be the voltage, I wasn't sure if voltage is part of the profile but it seems like it is. So it should adjust the voltage automatically when selecting a profile.

I see that your current DRAM voltage is 1.1, it's significantly lower than the numbers in the generic profile names. The "generic" xmp profiles in picture #2 use 1.25V to 1.45V, but don't use these profiles, sounds kinda sporty and 1.45 could damage your sticks over time. Motherboard manufacturers tend to include potentially harmful "overclocking" settings and profiles that shouldn't be used in a 24/7 setup.

edit n: What you could try right now is to raise DRAM voltage from 1.1 to 1.2, and see if it's stable, But without the specifications of your memory it's a (safe) gamble. It could be a 1.25 kit, or maybe even a 1.45 kit, but without confirmation I wouldn't go past 1.2 or 1.3V max.

Edited January 9, 2023 by 79Au

[Lurker]

I would suggest that you download the latest BIOS update to your motherboard and flash the bios. From the screenshot you provided it looks like that chipset+bios only supports XMP for very specific DDR5 RAM combinations.  

[79Au]

I think he's just in the wrong dropdown. The correct XMP profile is stored inside the RAM, not in BIOS. It looks like it's some kind of generic settings as backup or idk. OP needs to find the actual XMP profile that comes with the memory. BIOS update most likely won't help. (And I wouldn't recommend it)

to be clear, any XMP compatible motherboard should be able to read out the profile inside the RAM sticks, no matter what BIOS version. The profiles we see in picture# 2 are most likely "fake" or "generic" and stored on the motherboard. I don't think a BIOS update will magically add that one specific kingston XMP profile OP needs. (That's not how XMP is supposed to work, it kinda defeats the purpose of it) It's already there, we just can't find it.

There should only be one or two profiles, from the same manufacturer, in the actual profile list.

It wouldn't surprise me if "XMP boost" is some kind of fancy overclocker feature, maybe a set of additional profiles in case the user doesn't want to use the actual, real, correct original XMP profile that's inside the memory, for whatever reason.

Edited January 9, 2023 by 79Au

[BIGNEWY]

I use the default XMP profile for my RAM and no issues, it sounds like you are overclocking your RAM with the boost profiles. 

[79Au]

Yeah I also think the XMP boost is really an unnecessary "boost" feature that overrides/replaces the actual XMP profile and it should be left "disabled".

[Lurker]

49 minutes ago, 79Au said:

I think he's just in the wrong dropdown.

Now that you mention it, that's exactly what this looks like. Good catch. 

[TheConqueror]

4 hours ago, 79Au said:

Haha, I'm a bit out of the loop, especially when it comes to DDR5, but what I noticed right away, there shouldn't be so many XMP profiles, there should only be one or two, the ones that are stored inside you memory kit. (on picture #2) To me it looks like it's a seletion of generic profiles for different chip manufacturers. Weird, maybe that's some kind of feature.

Now, the line below the selected item/drop down menu says "Extreme Memory Profile(X.M.P.)", maybe that's where the correct profiles appear.

I can't see exactly what memory kit you're using. There should be some kind of product number but it doesn't seem to appear in any of the pictures. My G skill memory would be called something like "F4-3600C17D-32GTZR". You need to identify your RAM kit and google it, and compare/set the values accordingly. I'd look it up and see what the specifications are.

The last number of the XMP profile name in picture #2 seems to be the voltage, I wasn't sure if voltage is part of the profile but it seems like it is. So it should adjust the voltage automatically when selecting a profile.

I see that your current DRAM voltage is 1.1, it's significantly lower than the numbers in the generic profile names. The "generic" xmp profiles in picture #2 use 1.25V to 1.45V, but don't use these profiles, sounds kinda sporty and 1.45 could damage your sticks over time. Motherboard manufacturers tend to include potentially harmful "overclocking" settings and profiles that shouldn't be used in a 24/7 setup.

edit n: What you could try right now is to raise DRAM voltage from 1.1 to 1.2, and see if it's stable, But without the specifications of your memory it's a (safe) gamble. It could be a 1.25 kit, or maybe even a 1.45 kit, but without confirmation I wouldn't go past 1.2 or 1.3V max.

 

xmp profile was closed when i took those pictures and here are the test results

and there are pictures that i just took and i have a thing on my mind. If autoboost is turned on or Auto, is there no need to activate the XMP profile?

and there are 4 profiles in easy mode, 2 of them are 4800 MHz and 2 of them are 5200 MHz.
 

I will play DCS again with Autoboost on (Auto) and XMP profile on. By the way, I updated the BIOS. maybe there will be a difference

Edited January 9, 2023 by TheConqueror

[TheConqueror]

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

I use the default XMP profile for my RAM and no issues, it sounds like you are overclocking your RAM with the boost profiles. 

What can you suggest by looking at the pictures? see my previous post please i took new pictures

[BIGNEWY]

It is always best to check your motherboard instructions, but for me on a asus board I would select XMP profile 1 and be good to go. 

[79Au]

Huh, looks like I was right. Picture #8 in your last post shows the correct XMP dropdown/list/setting. (="Extreme Memory Profile X.M.P." it's below the booster setting) Set this to XMP 1 or XMP 2 and your memory will run at the advertized speed. (set xmp booster to disabled)

I wouldn't use any "auto boost" or xmp boost stuff in general. Every motherboard manufacturer offers these "marketing bs" auto overclocking or tuning options, under different names, and sometimes it's hard to tell if it's that, or if it's a legit setting like automatic clock speeds for CPU. We don't want to interfere or use manual clock speeds for CPUs nowadays. (Just as example)

edit (pic#6) I don't think you're supposed to mess with the memory multiplier/speeds, that's for "manual mode", if you don't want to use the profile. On my system i could not find the "xmp" setting right away so I just punched in clock speed, timings and voltage manually until I found out on AMD systems they call XMP DOCP or something.

Edited January 9, 2023 by 79Au

[79Au]

FYI I edited my post^^ a couple times, and man I wish they would stop adding these weird booster crap options. It's confusing and those who know what they're doing (the overclockers) won't use it anyways, they'd enter the values in manual mode. Most of the time, the autoboost stuff will apply way too much voltage, it's some kind of brute force overclocking. It's no coincidence that your "boost profiles" go from 1.25 to 1.45V. The latter is pretty high even for DDR4 standards. (DDR4 1.2-1.35V "default") 

[TheConqueror]

24 minutes ago, 79Au said:

Huh, looks like I was right. Picture #8 in your last post shows the correct XMP dropdown/list/setting. (="Extreme Memory Profile X.M.P." it's below the booster setting) Set this to XMP 1 or XMP 2 and your memory will run at the advertized speed. (set xmp booster to disabled)

I wouldn't use any "auto boost" or xmp boost stuff in general. Every motherboard manufacturer offers these "marketing bs" auto overclocking or tuning options, under different names, and sometimes it's hard to tell if it's that, or if it's a legit setting like automatic clock speeds for CPU. We don't want to interfere or use manual clock speeds for CPUs nowadays. (Just as example)

edit (pic#6) I don't think you're supposed to mess with the memory multiplier/speeds, that's for "manual mode", if you don't want to use the profile. On my system i could not find the "xmp" setting right away so I just punched in clock speed, timings and voltage manually until I found out on AMD systems they call XMP DOCP or something.

 

Ok I turned off the Auto Booster feature. I'll play a bit and if there is a problem the game will crash. 

[79Au]

In your test you used the incorrect boost profiles. The reason it worked is you chose a profile that was below the spec of your RAM kit and the voltage went from 1.1 (in your first post) to 1.25. Of course, you could go with these "incorrect" settings but I'd recommend to set DDR5 XMP booster to disabled and set the correct setting "Extreme Memory Profile X.M.P." to XMP 1 like I described in the "answer/solution post"

Edited January 9, 2023 by 79Au

[79Au]

and maybe turn off "XMP DDR5 auto booster" too, if possible, but I'm not sure how it's supposed to work on this particular motherboard/BIOS

Dude I didn't notice there's two boost options until now, and I'm confusing the names of the booster settings, this stuff is driving me nuts haha

Edited January 9, 2023 by 79Au

[5ephir0th]

The first thing you should do is check the Memory Support List on the manufaturer page and see if your memory sticks have been verified with this motherboard, if it doesnt appears it doesnt mean that your RAM its not compatible but it would be good to check it.

Next, update to the last bios

Then, on the bios, as 79Au pointed, DDR5 XMP Booster disabled, Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.) to XMP1, System Memory Multiplier to Auto, save and reboot, it should take a bit to start on the first boot but its normal, its the memory training of DDR5.

 

8 hours ago, 79Au said:

I see that your current DRAM voltage is 1.1, it's significantly lower than the numbers in the generic profile names. The "generic" xmp profiles in picture #2 use 1.25V to 1.45V, but don't use these profiles, sounds kinda sporty and 1.45 could damage your sticks over time. Motherboard manufacturers tend to include potentially harmful "overclocking" settings and profiles that shouldn't be used in a 24/7 setup.

edit n: What you could try right now is to raise DRAM voltage from 1.1 to 1.2, and see if it's stable, But without the specifications of your memory it's a (safe) gamble. It could be a 1.25 kit, or maybe even a 1.45 kit, but without confirmation I wouldn't go past 1.2 or 1.3V max.

This is DDR5, you are mixing voltages with DDR4 and are quite different, my DDR5-6000 uses 1.35 on his XMP and its pretty regular, you can see sticks with 1.45 and above

[79Au]

DDR4 also uses 1.2-1.35 for the most part. I just saw his default voltage was 1.1 so I assumed DDR5 could be a bit more sensitive since the voltages tend to decrease over the generations of DDR RAM.

[TheConqueror]

On 1/9/2023 at 11:05 PM, 79Au said:

DDR4 also uses 1.2-1.35 for the most part. I just saw his default voltage was 1.1 so I assumed DDR5 could be a bit more sensitive since the voltages tend to decrease over the generations of DDR RAM.

And i want to ask about bottleneck, cpu usage and Vulkan Api. If DCS World switches to vulpan api, can there be a change somethings in bottleneck? Because my CPU is using 100% while playing DCS World and GPU usage is 60-65% in 1080p ... The game may be crashing because of this.

[5ephir0th]

12 hours ago, TheConqueror said:

And i want to ask about bottleneck, cpu usage and Vulkan Api. If DCS World switches to vulpan api, can there be a change somethings in bottleneck? Because my CPU is using 100% while playing DCS World and GPU usage is 60-65% in 1080p ... The game may be crashing because of this.

At 1080p with a 3080 you are CPU limited not only on DCS but almost on every other game, 3080 its way overkill for that "low" resolution and you will see similar GPU usage on other games, with that PC you should start looking for at monitor with WHQD or above resolution.

Out of that, its imposible that DCS uses 100% of your CPU, on one core? Sure, but when hardware monitor tells you 100% CPU usage it means all cores at 100% usage, if you really are seeing 100% CPU usage its not because DCS, you have something wrong on your PC

[TheConqueror]

Is this a game crash caused by ram?
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