IFF

[MadKreator]

 Any plans to integrate iff into the av8b? Or is it basically considered complete? I’m just talking about using the actual ufc for it, instead of having to punch it in to srs directly

Edited January 18, 2023 by MadKreator

[QuiGon]

18 hours ago, MadKreator said:

 Any plans to integrate iff into the av8b? Or is it basically considered complete? I’m just talking about using the actual ufc for it, instead of having to punch it in to srs directly

The AV-8B NA that we have in DCS does not have an IFF interrogator in real life either and is not able to IFF other aircraft, thus nothing is missing in the DCS Harrier in this regard.

[Aernov]

But it has IFF transponder and already clickable switches for it on ACNIP. We also have IFF UFC buttin that is INOP currently.

[QuiGon]

20 hours ago, Aernov said:

But it has IFF transponder and already clickable switches for it on ACNIP. We also have IFF UFC buttin that is INOP currently.

Transponders are not simulated in DCS at all, so there is nothing to do here for RAZBAM until ED implements IFF transponder functionality in DCS in general.
(JF-17 is special case)

[MadKreator]

On 1/20/2023 at 2:36 AM, QuiGon said:

Transponders are not simulated in DCS at all, so there is nothing to do here for RAZBAM until ED implements IFF transponder functionality in DCS in general.
(JF-17 is special case)

Fair enough!

[Freefall231]

On 1/20/2023 at 9:36 AM, QuiGon said:

Transponders are not simulated in DCS at all, so there is nothing to do here for RAZBAM until ED implements IFF transponder functionality in DCS in general.
(JF-17 is special case)

Plenty of modules have implemented selectable Mode 3 transponder codes functionality - regardless of if it interacting with the core or not. Plenty of modules interface with SRS. Even Razbams own Mirage 2k does, and i bet the F15E will.

Seriously...

[RedeyeStorm]

If you IFF a Harrier in like a F16 you get a faked transponder return. Like @QuiGonsays the Harrier cannot interrogate other planes. It can only be interrogated and that is kinda simulated.

[QuiGon]

22 hours ago, Freefall231 said:

Plenty of modules have implemented selectable Mode 3 transponder codes functionality - regardless of if it interacting with the core or not. Plenty of modules interface with SRS. Even Razbams own Mirage 2k does, and i bet the F15E will.

Seriously...

SRS means modding your game. It is not part of DCS itself.

[buur]

vor einer Stunde schrieb QuiGon:

SRS means modding your game. It is not part of DCS itself.

In many planes you have functional IFF buttons which allows you to start/stop IFF and input the different IFF codes.

Unfortunately in the AV-8B these buttons are not working.

So you have to use the SRS overlay to start/stop IFF and enter the different IFF codes. For me, and also many other AV-8B Pilots this is a little bit immersion breaking and it is a long going wish from the AV-8B community to add the functionality of these controls.

[Freefall231]

10 hours ago, QuiGon said:

SRS means modding your game. It is not part of DCS itself.

so by your logic; if transponders don't function in DCS and SRS is not part of DCS - then how do you explain why this in-cockpit functionality exists on practically every other module?

[QuiGon]

13 hours ago, buur said:

In many planes you have functional IFF buttons which allows you to start/stop IFF and input the different IFF codes.

Unfortunately in the AV-8B these buttons are not working.

So you have to use the SRS overlay to start/stop IFF and enter the different IFF codes. For me, and also many other AV-8B Pilots this is a little bit immersion breaking and it is a long going wish from the AV-8B community to add the functionality of these controls.

4 hours ago, Freefall231 said:

so by your logic; if transponders don't function in DCS and SRS is not part of DCS - then how do you explain why this in-cockpit functionality exists on practically every other module?

I can't comment on unofficial external modding software as I have no experience with that. All I'm saying is that IFF transponders are not simulated in DCS, meaning they have zero effect in DCS, regradless of their setting (with the JF-17 being a special case). What unofficial external modding software is doing it outside of my scope. The OP asked for IFF functionality in the Harrier and I'm saying there is nothing missing there atm, as the Harrier doesn't have an IFF interrogater and IFF transponders are not simulated in DCS as a whole. He did not ask about SRS or if he did he forgot to mention that...

Edited February 12, 2023 by QuiGon

[Freefall231]

Dont take this the wrong way @QuiGon; do you officially represent RAZBAM? (i dont know). Your posts read like they should be taken as such.

The OP specifically asked the very pertinent question on when the Up Front Controller IFF functionality will be added.

It doesn't matter what the backend or external mods do with what's set in the cockpit. As with practically all other modules - the cockpit system/interaction should exist.

You're misrepresenting the raised question by stating things like 'there is nothing to do here for Razbam' and 'there is nothing missing there atm' - as that is absolutely not the case. The UFC IFF cockpit interface functionality is absolutely missing and needs to be added. 

Edited February 12, 2023 by Freefall231

[QuiGon]

1 hour ago, Freefall231 said:

do you officially represent RAZBAM? (i dont know). Your posts read like they should be taken as such.

I really don't represent RAZBAM. Sorry if I made this impression. I'm just looking for potential bugs/issues in DCS in general.
 

1 hour ago, Freefall231 said:

The OP specifically asked the very pertinent question on when the Up Front Controller IFF functionality will be added.

Indeed and I responded to that, that there is no IFF tranponder functionality implemented in any DCS module as DCS doesn't simulate IFF transponders (with the exception of JF-17s among each other).
 

1 hour ago, Freefall231 said:

It doesn't matter what the backend or external mods do with what's set in the cockpit. As with practically all other modules - the cockpit system/interaction should exist.

Wait, are you talking about the buttons/switches just being clickable without any functionality behind them?

Edited February 12, 2023 by QuiGon

[WHOGX5]

11 minutes ago, QuiGon said:

I really don't RAZBAM. Sorry if I made this impression. I'm just looking for potential bugs/issues in DCS in general.
 

Indeed and I responded to that, that there is no IFF tranponder functionality implemented in any DCS module as DCS doesn't simulate IFF transponders (with the exception of JF-17s among each other).
 

Wait, are you talking about the buttons/switches just being clickable without any functionality behind them?

Yes, they just need to be clickable, no functionality needed. There are many features you'd assume a combat flight simulator like DCS would have, yet they haven't been implemented yet. That's why third party tools are essential if you want to fly in a realistic manner. For example, the F-16C doesn't have any real IFF modelling in DCS, but since you can still set your transponder code in the cockpit it can interface with SRS and LotAtc, allowing those third party tools to enable squawking as a means to identify and correlate an aircraft to a callsign based on their transponder code.

[QuiGon]

1 hour ago, WHOGX5 said:

Yes, they just need to be clickable, no functionality needed.

Oh, ok, that wasn't really clear to me that this is all the OP was asking for.
 

1 hour ago, WHOGX5 said:

There are many features you'd assume a combat flight simulator like DCS would have, yet they haven't been implemented yet.

I'm very well aware. That's the very point I tried to make clear in my previous posts.

[Freefall231]

On 2/12/2023 at 3:57 PM, QuiGon said:

I really don't represent RAZBAM. Sorry if I made this impression. I'm just looking for potential bugs/issues in DCS in general

No worries. Was just unsure given your CBT tag. 

 

On 2/12/2023 at 3:57 PM, QuiGon said:

Wait, are you talking about the buttons/switches just being clickable without any functionality behind them?

Yep. What's missing in the MODULE is:

• Click IFF on the UFC.

• Press IFF button/page on the MPCDs.

Neither of these do anything ingame.

 

What should then happen is something like:

• ODU populates with Mode 1 / Mode 2 / Mode 3 / Mode 4 
• Select ODU option.
• UFC scratchpad activates.
• Press UFC keys to enter value.
• Press UFC Enter to submit entered value.
• Press UFC On/Off to activate.

 

Then its like you said, no further interaction/functionality with the official game - but it is another step towards a full-fidelity simulated cockpit.

Outside the official game, SRS and LotATC mods/apps can grab those set values. This would be a secondary improvement/benefit as right now those that use it are alt-tabbing in/out to set this stuff.

Cheers 

[MadKreator]

On 1/18/2023 at 8:43 AM, MadKreator said:

 Any plans to integrate iff into the av8b? Or is it basically considered complete? I’m just talking about using the actual ufc for it, instead of having to punch it in to srs directly

 

Did not realize actual iff was not modeled in dcs. In  some MP servers with live ATC  they ask to input squak code. I just noticed that the harrier was the only module I own  where you can’t punch it in in the actual aircraft. I didn’t realize that iff was solely a function of srs radio lol I know you can input it straight in there. Knowing now  that its an srs function , not dcs, I can see why its not modeled (kind of), but it still would be nice to be able to use the ufc in that scenario, just to feel like its a working feature since most other aircraft have the ability. 

On 2/11/2023 at 5:13 PM, buur said:

In many planes you have functional IFF buttons which allows you to start/stop IFF and input the different IFF codes.

Unfortunately in the AV-8B these buttons are not working.

So you have to use the SRS overlay to start/stop IFF and enter the different IFF codes. For me, and also many other AV-8B Pilots this is a little bit immersion breaking and it is a long going wish from the AV-8B community to add the functionality of these controls.

This is what I was implying