Question about Flight planning

[roei]

Hello, I have a question: sometimes i take control in the training and i try to remove the current flight route and draw a new flight route. It all goes well until i engage the autopilot to follow that new route. However it seems that it flies the old route instead of the new route, How can i make it fly the new route?

 

Thanks

[GGTharos]

The ABRIS and PVI are not linked. You need to program the new route into the PVI. Instructions are in the manual.

[roei]

Thanks man!

[roei]

I'm sorry but i haven't managed to find it. Could you please send me an exact page?

[Maverick-GER-]

2-59 in the manual explains the PVI in general,

Point 11 will be the most interesting for you:

“ВВОД” = Edit waypoint. This function allows you to enter waypoint coordinates, wind conditions, and other data. To do so:  Select EDIT  Press “ППМ” and the small upper window will display the total number of waypoints currently stored.  Press 1 – 6 on the keypad to select the desired waypoint number and the current waypoint coordinates will be displayed.  Using the keypad, enter new coordinates for the selected waypoint. Note that you should indicate N/S or E/W prior to entering the coordinate. To make the coordinate positive, press the 0 key first; to make the coordinate negative, press the 1 key first. When set to negative, a “-“ symbol will appear left of the coordinate.  After the coordinate has been entered, press the ENTER button. Or, you may press CANCEL to clear the data on the display.

And another little hint for you... coordinates in DCS are always Positive!

 

If you need a bit more help for that you can send me a PM and i open a server for us and will explain that on the server again =)

Edited January 25, 2009 by Maverick-GER-

[roei]

How come still, when i try to edit the waypoints the same thing happens. It flies the old route. i even try keeping some of the old waypoints and adding new ones but it still didnt work.

[GGTharos]

Did you program a new route? Once you input the new WP's into the PVI-800, you have to go to 'work' mode, then click each WP number, and then 'Enter' on the PVI to program the route.

[Maverick-GER-]

OK so here a little step by step guide...

1. turn your Nav Master Mode switch to BBOA (edit waypoint)

2. click on NNM (top left PVI button) to turn on waypoint mode (it will also show you the number of stored waypoints on the top right)

3. click on 1 for the first waypoint

4. click on BBOA (Nav enter) on PVI

5. click on 0 (for a positive value)

6. enter coordinate

(7. (press BBOA (Nav enter) after first part of coordinate) edited because it's not needed!)

8. press to times 0 (for a positive value and first number of second coordinate which always starts with 0 )

9 type in rest of coordinate and press BBOA (Nav Enter) again

10. repeat if needed for more waypoints

11. once you got all waypoints entered switch your Nav master Mode back to PAS

12. click on NNM again for waypoint mode

13. click on 1 for your first waypoint (which will now show the coordinates you entered)

14. engage route mode and it will follow the new coordinates now

Edited January 26, 2009 by Maverick-GER-

[roei]

Ok nice, so in the abris i first put new flight plan and then input the coordinates on the PVI?

[miguez]

If you are worried about the route the autopilot will follow, forget the ABRIS, that's just for reference. As someone put it in another post, it is like a GPS in your car, it will only tell you when to turn, but not turn for you.

 

The PVI 800 waypoints is what you need to reprogram. Maverick has posted a very nice step by step. Try changing your waypoint number 1 and 2, then taking off and engaging the Route mode of the autopilot.

 

Best regards,

[Feuerfalke]

I hope in future releases we can edit flightplans BEFORE they are stored in the PVI-800 and the ARBIS. :noexpression:

[Nayles]

OK so here a little step by step guide...

1. turn your Nav Master Mode switch to BBOA (edit waypoint)

2. click on NNM (top left PVI button) to turn on waypoint mode (it will also show you the number of stored waypoints on the top right)

3. click on 1 for the first waypoint

4. click on BBOA (Nav enter) on PVI

5. click on 0 (for a positive value)

6. enter coordinate

7. press BBOA (Nav enter) after first part of coordinate

8. press to times 0 (for a positive value and first number of second coordinate which always starts with 0 )

9 type in rest of coordinate and press BBOA (Nav Enter) again

10. repeat if needed for more waypoints

11. once you got all waypoints entered switch your Nav master Mode back to PAS

12. click on NNM again for waypoint mode

13. click on 1 for your first waypoint (which will now show the coordinates you entered)

14. engage route mode and it will follow the new coordinates now

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you can ignore step 7. I've only ever hit the 'enter' button once all the coords have been entered. In fact I don't think the 'enter' button is lit until all coords are in.

[miguez]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you can ignore step 7. I've only ever hit the 'enter' button once all the coords have been entered. In fact I don't think the 'enter' button is lit until all coords are in.

 

Good point, and I confirm, no need to hit the Enter in between the Lat and Lon, only after both have been entered.

[Maverick-GER-]

ok thanks for that i always put enter in between but tried it out and it doesnt seem to be needed!

I will edit my list!

 

And to roie:

You can update your flightpath in your abris if you want a visual reference, but you definately dont need to do that!

As others said before me for routemode or anything that has to do with the helicopter flying abris is completely useless.

It is just some fance gadget you can look on and see where you are on the map.

The ONLY thing (in my opinion) the ABRIS is really useful for is for Datalink stuff!

 

That's where i see the biggest difference between russian and american aircraft...

In russian aircraft new stuff gets bolted in the airframe and it is just there, in american aircraft if they put something new in it is usually working together with other systems.

Edited January 26, 2009 by Maverick-GER-

[Sinner6]

You guy's make me feel so lazy. This actually seems more work intensive than just manually flying the intended route. No sarcasm intended, why would one do this beyond "neato factor"?

[Frederf]

Not getting shot down is nice. The pilot's credo: plan before, thank yourself later.

[Sinner6]

You know, I was thinking of this in the context of changing the flight plan in mid mission, but I understand now that this is a pre-flight thing we are talking about. That makes sense to me.

[miguez]

You know, I was thinking of this in the context of changing the flight plan in mid mission, but I understand now that this is a pre-flight thing we are talking about. That makes sense to me.

 

Hey Sinner,

 

I think in real life, for the majority of the time, the pilot is the one entering these waypoints in the PVI-800, it isn't done for him, and so, as you mentioned, this would be one of the things you do in the pre-flight phase.

 

Also, sometimes a CAP will be requested to check out a LAT/LONG given by a ground or airborne observer to the Forward Air Controller, and you'll be wise to enter it for accurate navigation.

 

My train of thought, at least.

[Shepski]

Hey Sinner,

 

Also, sometimes a CAP will be requested to check out a LAT/LONG given by a ground or airborne observer to the Forward Air Controller, and you'll be wise to enter it for accurate navigation.

 

Best way to go about that is to enter the LAT/LONG in the PVI "NAV TGT" mode so you don't have to overwrite an existing waypoint in your flightplan. This way you still get full auto-pilot route mode capability.

[Frederf]

I've bound the numpad keys to my PVI so I'm getting pretty freaking fast at inputting coords from the ABRIS (and I set my ABRIS to show in the decimal minutes format)