Upgrade-resell-Trade. Reduce total cost.

[Thinder]

I was a firm advocate of "not needing more than 32GB", but to be honest I have been running out of RAM for some apps like video editing and I never really asked myself what all the extra apps needed to run a headset were using as RAM, so since I had (yet another) back payment, I decided to upgrade.

IN: Ordered G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14Q-64GTZRA.  -£572^.39

 

OUT: EVGA GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti sold to CEX. +£150.

I can expect <> the same amount from my actual RAM kit resell to CEX when I'll have received the new one.

Estimated cost: £272 for 64GB of Cl14 RAM.

Also I still have to get rid of two PSU (Corsair RM750 and RM850) I will sell through EBay, I should be able to get yet another £150 for them.

Trading your old gear after upgrade when in good condition can reduce the cost considerably and make some skinned players happy.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Thinder

[xoxen]

Thanks for sharing. I´m always doing it with my hardware, which I´m treating always very good. When I upgraded to my RTX 4080 and the G9 Neo I sold my 3 27" Asus displays and the RTX 3080 on a second hand platform in Germany. Under the line the upgrade didn´t cost the original 2.428,- EUR, but "only" 1.278,- EUR. Both, the 3080 and the displays looked like new and I always keep the original package for that reason. The 3080 went to a flight mate of my group and he is more that happy with it.

[Thinder]

2 hours ago, xoxen said:

Thanks for sharing. I´m always doing it with my hardware, which I´m treating always very good. When I upgraded to my RTX 4080 and the G9 Neo I sold my 3 27" Asus displays and the RTX 3080 on a second hand platform in Germany. Under the line the upgrade didn´t cost the original 2.428,- EUR, but "only" 1.278,- EUR. Both, the 3080 and the displays looked like new and I always keep the original package for that reason. The 3080 went to a flight mate of my group and he is more that happy with it.

[72Stu]

Jesus, you can get 64GB of DDR5 for less than that (unless I've read the context wrongly)?

Get in the now man 

[BuzzU]

What's special about that ram to bring that price?

[LucShep]

I have to agree with others here. At such price, that DDR4 64GB mem kit is an absolute rip off.

Contrast it with a 3x more affordable (£185) and pretty good DDR4 64GB kit (yes, even for AMD 5800X3D):  https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/mushkin-enhanced-64gb/p/N82E16820226993?Description=MRF4U360GKKP32GX2&cm_re=MRF4U360GKKP32GX2-_-20-226-993-_-Product&quicklink=true

There's also the RGB bling-bling version (£206) if you're really into that stuff: https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/mushkin-enhanced-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820226962?Description=MLA4C360GKKP32GX2&cm_re=MLA4C360GKKP32GX2-_-20-226-962-_-Product&quicklink=true

7 hours ago, BuzzU said:

What's special about that ram to bring that price?

It's Samsung B-Die DDR4 memory built for overclocking, and IIRC that one is a 4x double-rank modules kit. Very good stuff, though extremely overrated.

The problem is, instead of buying the less expensive B-die 3200 CL14 quad-kits (or that far more affordable Mushkin 3600 CL16 dual-kit) and then overclocking it to 3600 CL16 tight timings (16-16-16-36) and maybe even CL14 (14-14-14-34), most people are illiterate on the matter, and have no idea how to do it at the timings and sub-timings level.
So they buy the more expensive B-die 3600 CL16 (hardly available now) and, lately, the even more expensive B-die 3600 CL14, only to leave it instead at the XMP/D.O.C.P. profile "becauje Aimedee Raijen needje it for tweee perchent moar pefomanche" (yes, it's comical, has been for the last few years).
So, they pay exploitative prices (these days 3x over the alternatives in fact)...

Unless you're into overclocking, DDR4 3600 CL14 is a waste of money (buying a Ferrari to run around the block) also if it's just for DCS.
And at the current outrageous prices of that kit variant of B.Die, I'd seriously avoid it. But that's probably just me...
 

Edited February 1, 2023 by LucShep
added link to alternative for contrast

[EightyDuce]

On 2/1/2023 at 11:53 AM, LucShep said:

I have to agree with others here. At such price, that DDR4 64GB mem kit is an absolute rip off.

Contrast it with a 3x more affordable (£185) and pretty good DDR4 64GB kit (yes, even for AMD 5800X3D):  https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/mushkin-enhanced-64gb/p/N82E16820226993?Description=MRF4U360GKKP32GX2&cm_re=MRF4U360GKKP32GX2-_-20-226-993-_-Product&quicklink=true

There's also the RGB bling-bling version (£206) if you're really into that stuff: https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/mushkin-enhanced-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820226962?Description=MLA4C360GKKP32GX2&cm_re=MLA4C360GKKP32GX2-_-20-226-962-_-Product&quicklink=true

It's Samsung B-Die DDR4 memory built for overclocking, and IIRC that one is a 4x double-rank modules kit. Very good stuff, though extremely overrated.

The problem is, instead of buying the less expensive B-die 3200 CL14 quad-kits (or that far more affordable Mushkin 3600 CL16 dual-kit) and then overclocking it to 3600 CL16 tight timings (16-16-16-36) and maybe even CL14 (14-14-14-34), most people are illiterate on the matter, and have no idea how to do it at the timings and sub-timings level.
So they buy the more expensive B-die 3600 CL16 (hardly available now) and, lately, the even more expensive B-die 3600 CL14, only to leave it instead at the XMP/D.O.C.P. profile "becauje Aimedee Raijen needje it for tweee perchent moar pefomanche" (yes, it's comical, has been for the last few years).
So, they pay exploitative prices (these days 3x over the alternatives in fact)...

Unless you're into overclocking, DDR4 3600 CL14 is a waste of money (buying a Ferrari to run around the block) also if it's just for DCS.
And at the current outrageous prices of that kit variant of B.Die, I'd seriously avoid it. But that's probably just me...
 

 

This. If you're buying B. die and running XMP, you're doing it wrong. 

 

On 2/1/2023 at 10:35 AM, BuzzU said:

What's special about that ram to bring that price?

He's paying 40% more money for 3-5% more performance.

 

On 2/1/2023 at 9:53 AM, 72Stu said:

Jesus, you can get 64GB of DDR5 for less than that (unless I've read the context wrongly)?

Get in the now man 

Yup. 64Gb DDR5 6000 CL32 hynix M die (can get it down to CL28) is $319 on the egg.

[Thinder]

On 2/1/2023 at 4:53 PM, LucShep said:

I have to agree with others here. At such price, that DDR4 64GB mem kit is an absolute rip off.

Contrast it with a 3x more affordable (£185) and pretty good DDR4 64GB kit (yes, even for AMD 5800X3D):  https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/mushkin-enhanced-64gb/p/N82E16820226993?Description=MRF4U360GKKP32GX2&cm_re=MRF4U360GKKP32GX2-_-20-226-993-_-Product&quicklink=true

There's also the RGB bling-bling version (£206) if you're really into that stuff: https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/mushkin-enhanced-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820226962?Description=MLA4C360GKKP32GX2&cm_re=MLA4C360GKKP32GX2-_-20-226-962-_-Product&quicklink=true

It's Samsung B-Die DDR4 memory built for overclocking, and IIRC that one is a 4x double-rank modules kit. Very good stuff, though extremely overrated.

The problem is, instead of buying the less expensive B-die 3200 CL14 quad-kits (or that far more affordable Mushkin 3600 CL16 dual-kit) and then overclocking it to 3600 CL16 tight timings (16-16-16-36) and maybe even CL14 (14-14-14-34), most people are illiterate on the matter, and have no idea how to do it at the timings and sub-timings level.
So they buy the more expensive B-die 3600 CL16 (hardly available now) and, lately, the even more expensive B-die 3600 CL14, only to leave it instead at the XMP/D.O.C.P. profile "becauje Aimedee Raijen needje it for tweee perchent moar pefomanche" (yes, it's comical, has been for the last few years).
So, they pay exploitative prices (these days 3x over the alternatives in fact)...

Unless you're into overclocking, DDR4 3600 CL14 is a waste of money (buying a Ferrari to run around the block) also if it's just for DCS.
And at the current outrageous prices of that kit variant of B.Die, I'd seriously avoid it. But that's probably just me...
 

 

Yeah, right. You're the specialist of the B.die here.

For a start the reason why I optimized my system is precisely for NOT overclocking it, not my RAM, nor my CPU nor my GPU and the gain is well above any gain I would have experienced by overclocking anything.

Second, comparing a Cl16 kit to a B.die Cl14 just shows how little you comprehend the whole thing, I'd like to see you playing at 4K with this kit for a laugh...

In your fantasy world a 3600MHz kit will be for overclocking a Ryzen 3/3D, when in reality those CPUs controller doesn't take higher frequencies, I strongly suggest you study the subject in much deeper depth before posting this kind of misinformation...

[Thinder]

On 2/1/2023 at 3:35 PM, BuzzU said:

What's special about that ram to bring that price?

Capacity and latency.

 As opposed to the "specialist" I've been testing Ryzens with Cl16 and Cl14 back to back, it works even better with 5800X 3D cache, and I got results to show for my money.

Test at 4K MSAA X 2 with only 32GB of Cl14, 5600X (Cl 14 3200MHz) vs 5800X 3D 32GB of Cl 14 3600 MHz same GPU (1080Ti), both GPU and CPU were boosted in the case of the 5600X, if 18.91% gain in graphics Score doesn't hit a nerves with you, you can keep buying Cl16 and overclocking your rigs for lower results.

And something else, with a 4 X 1 kit like the G.skill you got 4 banks which is also the CPU controller's maximum, and the advantage is interleaving, which means the CPU can manage data a lot more efficiently, the 2 X 1 kit he propose isn't anywhere near what the Ryzens 3/3D needs to be optimized.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Thinder

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, Thinder said:

 

Second, comparing a Cl16 kit to a B.die Cl14 just shows how little you comprehend the whole thing, I'd like to see you playing at 4K with this kit for a laugh...

 

You heard it here first folks, if you have DDR4 CL16 RAM, good luck being able to play at 4K.

Time to sell your 4090s and 7950x boys and girls, yall are doing it wrong. 

[Dragon1-1]

Given how much he overpaid for that RAM, I'm not surprised to see him defending the concept.  I'm happy with my 3200 CL16 pair, nothing special, but the 5800X3D only goes up to 3200 anyway, and the clocks are locked down, so I can't do much OC.

One day, when that Ryzen stops being enough, I'll get myself something I can overclock, a big honkin' radiator or two, and RAM with a water block to match. Oh, and a mobo with an integrated monoblock, so that the radiators can cool VRMs in addition to the CPU itself. That said, this will almost certainly be DDR5 at least.