Theme Music

[LowRider88]

Since the J-8 is the PLAAF’s first indigenous fighter design, it seems most appropriate to use this music for the module’s theme music, on the main page, load page, and advertisement videos:
 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by LowRider88

[PLAAF]

3 hours ago, LowRider88 said:

Since the J-8 is the PLAAF’s first indigenous fighter design, it seems most appropriate to use this music for the module’s theme music, on the main page, load page, and advertisement videos:

Nope, I disagree. Theme music should be representative of the plane, not the organisation that the plane served in. Also, an anthem is only used for specific events and for specific reasons to represent the entity it was written for. Unless J-8, as a plane can fully represent the PLA, using the PLA anthem would be an insult, and highly inappropriate to be used in a video game. What you are doing here is ....按传统的话来讲叫做“大逆不道”你知道吗？

My suggestion is to use the song called "Please respond!". It was written to commemorate Wang Wei, the PLAAF J-8 pilot who lost his life in defending his nation's sovereignty from US aggression. 

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by PLAAF

[LowRider88]

5 hours ago, PLAAF said:

Nope, I disagree. Theme music should be representative of the plane, not the organisation that the plane served in. Also, an anthem is only used for specific events and for specific reasons to represent the entity it was written for. Unless J-8, as a plane can fully represent the PLA, using the PLA anthem would be an insult, and highly inappropriate to be used in a video game. What you are doing here is ....按传统的话来讲叫做“大逆不道”你知道吗？

My suggestion is to use the song called "Please respond!". It was written to commemorate Wang Wei, the PLAAF J-8 pilot who lost his life in defending his nation's sovereignty from US aggression. 

 

 

No, I would disagree with your assessment, and think you may be overreacting, as I don't feel I was being disrespectful.

But maybe that is due to a difference in culture between you and I.

However, did you know some in China have created a Rock Song version of that Anthem?

To me that would be far more disrespectful.

The PLA would sing that song while marching or drilling.

And they may play simulations as part of their training.

So to link the song to a simulation does not seem out of place to me.

And why would the J-8 not be suitable to represent the PLAAF if they used it as their top fighter for a decade, and since it is also their first indigenous design?

Although I like the sentiment you referenced regarding the Wang Wei, you can look at it the other way around.

He is an important figure, but does he represent every other pilot who flew the J-8?

The plane should have some theme music which energizes the person using the simulation, like soldiers who sing anthems while drilling.

Your song is important but why use a sad song every time you launch the module.

He can be remembered in other ways such as a pilot model.

 

I would also like to remind that your username here could also be considered misappropriation as well (no disrespect, I admire that you used it), unless you were a former serving member, in which case I bite my tongue.  But if you are, I think your standards are a bit too tight around the respect issue and can actually push away potential enthusiasts.

But again, that could be due to a difference in culture.

Edited March 17, 2023 by LowRider88

[PLAAF]

2 hours ago, LowRider88 said:

But maybe that is due to a difference in culture between you and I.

Unless you are not Chinese, then there is no cultural difference between you and I. Or at least there shouldn't be.

2 hours ago, LowRider88 said:

However, did you know some in China have created a Rock Song version of that Anthem?
To me that would be far more disrespectful.

That is correct.

2 hours ago, LowRider88 said:

And they may play simulations as part of their training.So to link the song to a simulation does not seem out of place to me.And why would the J-8 not be suitable to represent the PLAAF if they used it as their top fighter for a decade, and since it is also their first indigenous design?

The game is for entertainment. Putting an anthem in entertainment is disrespectful just like making the rock and roll version of the anthem.
It doesn't matter if it is the first indigenous system. An anthem is used to represent the spirit of an entity, not the first tool it made. It is too trivial.

Using your logic, why not use the national anthem? It is the first indigenous aircraft designed by PRC. But just let me remind you, in 2017, the 28th Session of the Standing Committee of the Twelfth National People's Congress reviewed the "National Anthem Law of the People's Republic of China". The law specified the occasions on which the anthem can be played.

The 8th article of the law stated that "it shall not be used in or in disguised form for trademarks and commercial advertisements, and shall not be used in inappropriate occasions such as background music in public places etc".

To summarise, there is no cultural difference between you and me. It's just that many youngsters nowadays were never educated or taught at home in this matter to show proper respect. I highly doubt that Deka members are ignorant in this matter, so we shall see if they make the anthem into their module.

 

 

Edited March 17, 2023 by PLAAF

[PLAAF]

2 hours ago, LowRider88 said:

Although I like the sentiment you referenced regarding the Wang Wei, you can look at it the other way around.

He is an important figure, but does he represent every other pilot who flew the J-8?

The plane should have some theme music which energizes the person using the simulation, like soldiers who sing anthems while drilling.

Your song is important but why use a sad song every time you launch the module.

He can be remembered in other ways such as a pilot model.

By the way, making a martyr into a game so people can shoot at, is also disrespectful and against law.

The law states that:  

"No organization or individual may in any way slander or belittle the honour of a soldier, insult or slander a soldier's reputation, or deliberately damage or tarnish a soldier's honour mark"

Here is a full copy of the law
https://www.mva.gov.cn/sy/xx/bnxx/202106/t20210611_48036.html

Edited March 17, 2023 by PLAAF

[Cab]

7 hours ago, PLAAF said:

It was written to commemorate Wang Wei, the PLAAF J-8 pilot who lost his life in defending his nation's sovereignty from US aggression. 

A little light on the details, but I guess that's one way of describing it.

[LowRider88]

1 hour ago, PLAAF said:

Unless you are not Chinese, then there is no cultural difference between you and I. Or at least there shouldn't be.

That is correct.

The game is for entertainment. Putting an anthem in entertainment is disrespectful just like making the rock and roll version of the anthem.
It doesn't matter if it is the first indigenous system. An anthem is used to represent the spirit of an entity, not the first tool it made. It is too trivial.

Using your logic, why not use the national anthem? It is the first indigenous aircraft designed by PRC. But just let me remind you, in 2017, the 28th Session of the Standing Committee of the Twelfth National People's Congress reviewed the "National Anthem Law of the People's Republic of China". The law specified the occasions on which the anthem can be played.

The 8th article of the law stated that "it shall not be used in or in disguised form for trademarks and commercial advertisements, and shall not be used in inappropriate occasions such as background music in public places etc".

To summarise, there is no cultural difference between you and me. It's just that many youngsters nowadays were never educated or taught at home in this matter to show proper respect. I highly doubt that Deka members are ignorant in this matter, so we shall see if they make the anthem into their module.

 

 

 

I respect the laws of every country.

But I think you are taking it out of context.

Why does official in China not object to that anthem appearing in Youtube on on BiliBili?  Those are also platforms for entertainment.

And who says I play DCS purely for entertainment?  I look at a fairly well done full fidelity simulation as a learning tool.

You are talking about the National Anthem, the PLA Anthem is not the National one and appears in media all the time.

For the record, I suspect I may be far older than you, definitely not a youngster.

And for me enjoying a cultural song is not blasphemy.

In the end it is up to Deka.  That is why I posted this as a wishlist.

If they don't do it, I may mod my home version to do it.

I don't consider it an insult, but a celebration.

In contrast, I think you are being a bit presumptuous and constrictive.

1 hour ago, PLAAF said:

By the way, making a martyr into a game so people can shoot at, is also disrespectful and against law.

The law states that:  

"No organization or individual may in any way slander or belittle the honour of a soldier, insult or slander a soldier's reputation, or deliberately damage or tarnish a soldier's honour mark"

Here is a full copy of the law
https://www.mva.gov.cn/sy/xx/bnxx/202106/t20210611_48036.html

 

Again, by requesting a martyr be immortalized in media, how is that slander?

It is all in how you look at it.

I say it is a celebration, not an insult.

For the record, when I suggest him or someone like him for the likeness of the virtual pilot, I am sharing the same virtual seat as him, so how am I shooting at him?

You don't want him to be put in a position where he can be shot at?

He himself volunteered to be a soldier!

I think you are being to sensitive my friend.

[PLAAF]

46 minutes ago, LowRider88 said:

Why does official in China not object to that anthem appearing in Youtube on on BiliBili?  Those are also platforms for entertainment.And who says I play DCS purely for entertainment?  I look at a fairly well done full fidelity simulation as a learning tool.You are talking about the National Anthem, the PLA Anthem is not the National one and appears in media all the time.

BiliBili? That depends on how it was used. As people say, it doesn't matter what you say, only matters how you say it. As for youtube, how many videos you have seen that used the anthem in a respectable way? Unfortunately, many of those are done by foreigners outside of China.

46 minutes ago, LowRider88 said:

You are talking about the National Anthem, the PLA Anthem is not the National one and appears in media all the time.

The logic stays the same. It matters how were they presented and for what propose it was presented.

46 minutes ago, LowRider88 said:

And for me enjoying a cultural song is not blasphemy.

That's not a cultural song, and "blasphemy"? That's an interesting choice of the word since no religion is involved here.  In what cultural environment did you grow up? Did you grow up in a Christain country?

46 minutes ago, LowRider88 said:

For the record, I suspect I may be far older than you, definitely not a youngster.

In the end it is up to Deka.  That is why I posted this as a wishlist.

If they don't do it, I may mod my home version to do it.

I don't consider it an insult, but a celebration.

In contrast, I think you are being a bit presumptuous and constrictive.

What you do behind a closed door is none of my concern. I do not understand what are you trying to prove by telling me that you will do it on your own if others won't do things your way. I was merely trying to point out that what you suggested is considered disrespectful in our culture and it might violate the law, nothing more. My words might have sounded a bit headstrong since English is my second language and more often than not, I can only speak in a very direct tune. If that was the case, I apologise, but I never tried to stop you in any way.

Edited March 17, 2023 by PLAAF

[LowRider88]

3 minutes ago, PLAAF said:

BiliBili? That depends on how it was used. As people say, it doesn't matter what you say, only matters how you say it. As for youtube, how many videos you have seen that used the anthem in a respectable way? Unfortunately, many of those are done by foreigners outside of China.

The logic stays the same. It matters how were they presented and for what propose it was presented.

That's not a cultural song, and "blasphemy"? That's an interesting choice of the word since no religion is involved here.  In what cultural environment did you grow up? Did you grow up in a Christain country?

You do act on your impulses and emotions like a typical youngster nowadays.

What you do behind a closed door is none of my concern. I do not understand what are you trying to prove by telling me that you will do it on your own if others won't do things your way. I was merely trying to point out that what you suggested is considered disrespectful in our culture and it might violate the law, nothing more. I never tried to stop you in any way.

Yes, it is all in how you say it.  So when did I say this suggestion was meant to be disrespectful?
You are interpreting it as disrespectful.  Of all the people on this forum who I might have guessed would be insulted by this idea, you were the last person I would have imagined.  Geez, take it easy.

It was to me an idea to commemorate the module, and you twist it into some heinous suggestion.  Yes the logic stays the same but you misinterpreting the logic.

Again, aren’t you taking liberties with your username?  I am merely make a suggestion but you have fully committed to what you are accusing me of.

For the record, the word blasphemy can refer to religion or not religion.

And I am answering you without emotion while you seem to be getting quite strung up about this, citing laws and such.  People nowadays are far too sensitive.  So who is acting more like a youngster here?

I am not asking you to care what I do at home.

Just relax, man.  The game does not only belong to you, and everyone can make suggestions.

 

[PLAAF]

8 minutes ago, LowRider88 said:

Yes, it is all in how you say it.  So when did I say this suggestion was meant to be disrespectful?
You are interpreting it as disrespectful.

Since the first time I noticed you, you have been what we called "热血青年“ or hot-blooded youth, so I knew you weren't meant to be disrespectful. But what you suggested will be interpreted as so and will not be just me. And it may even break the law. That's why I had to get my message clear. Anything that might lead to a violation of the law is a serious matter. 

13 minutes ago, LowRider88 said:

And I am answering you without emotion while you seem to be getting quite strung up about this, citing laws and such.  People nowadays are far too sensitive.  So who is acting more like a youngster here?

I am not asking you to care what I do at home.

Just relax, man.  The game does not only belong to you, and everyone can make suggestions.

I don't remember being strung up by this, but if you felt that way, I am sorry.

[LowRider88]

31 minutes ago, PLAAF said:

Since the first time I noticed you, you have been what we called "热血青年“ or hot-blooded youth, so I knew you weren't meant to be disrespectful. But what you suggested will be interpreted as so and will not be just me. And it may even break the law. That's why I had to get my message clear. Anything that might lead to a violation of the law is a serious matter. 

I don't remember being strung up by this, but if you felt that way, I am sorry.

Well, in terms of being a hot blooded youth, you did yourself admit to being direct.

I don’t consider myself hot blooded, but I will defend passionately what I believe in and what I feel is right.

It doesn’t take youth to do that.  Are Zhao Lilian, Wang Wenbin and Wang Yi hot blooded youth too?

Regarding the law, I am with someone from Wuxi, and she thinks you may be overreacting.

No worries my friend, I am sorry too.  We just have different perspectives.

[alexmichal]

When it comes to the soundtrack try to immerse players in the unique atmosphere of each aircraft and scenario. Throw in some hi tech hum in the music to really draw out that feeling. On a side note, I worked on the J-8 back in the day using loctite 242 in adhesive department of MRO. It's a mighty aircraft.

[addman]

It's a late 80's early 90's plane right? Just throw in some techno beats with som Chinese flair and you're set. It's gotta be fitting to the plane, nationality and time period imo. Most other modules have pretty fitting soundtracks and I reckon the Phantom is gonna have a kick*ss soundtrack.