Quest Pro vs G2 Impressions - 4090/7950x3D

[markturner1960]

By way of update for me....I am back using my trusty G2 on my main machine while I try and troubleshoot freezing / crashes issues with my quest pro ( with I might add the help of the awesome Lukas wolta, who has very kindly offered to help me) 

After a full windows and DCS re install which, frustratingly did nothing to solve the issue, I am currently negotiating the minefiled of meta and oculus accounts ( another story there) and trying to set the quest pro up on my number 2 machine to try and see if there is still a problem, in which case I will know if its a faulty headset..........

Pretty pissed off as have spent zero time doing any proper flying the last 2 weeks, just endless trouble shooting and re installing sh1t..........Its a shame, as the first 2 weeks of Pro ownership, it worked great and teh visual / performance upgrade was fantastic.......but just started suddenly freezing while in use.......anyway, will keep you updated......

[slughead]

7 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

By way of update for me....I am back using my trusty G2 on my main machine while I try and troubleshoot freezing / crashes issues with my quest pro ( with I might add the help of the awesome Lukas wolta, who has very kindly offered to help me) 

After a full windows and DCS re install which, frustratingly did nothing to solve the issue, I am currently negotiating the minefiled of meta and oculus accounts ( another story there) and trying to set the quest pro up on my number 2 machine to try and see if there is still a problem, in which case I will know if its a faulty headset..........

Pretty pissed off as have spent zero time doing any proper flying the last 2 weeks, just endless trouble shooting and re installing sh1t..........Its a shame, as the first 2 weeks of Pro ownership, it worked great and teh visual / performance upgrade was fantastic.......but just started suddenly freezing while in use.......anyway, will keep you updated......

Have you factory reset the headset?

[markturner1960]

Yes, and updated the software to V55.

[slughead]

1 minute ago, markturner1960 said:

Yes, and updated the software to V55.

Yikes. v55 is beta code and Meta/Oculus has a really bad beta reputation.

I would turn off PTC / remove yourself from it and factory reset again so it removes all development code and installs released code and configuration.

Same with the Oculus app on the PC.

If you still have problems return it and get another.

[markturner1960]

Hmm, appreciate the input, but Lukas advised changing to the V55 as v54 was "notoriously buggy" and he was aware of several issues with link attributed to it.......so I changed, but it's made no difference, I am still getting the freezes so I think its safe to assume that my problem exists whether I am using V54 or v55.......and therefore lies elsewhere. 

 

[YoYo]

35 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

By way of update for me....I am back using my trusty G2 on my main machine while I try and troubleshoot freezing / crashes issues with my quest pro ( with I might add the help of the awesome Lukas wolta, who has very kindly offered to help me) 

After a full windows and DCS re install which, frustratingly did nothing to solve the issue, I am currently negotiating the minefiled of meta and oculus accounts ( another story there) and trying to set the quest pro up on my number 2 machine to try and see if there is still a problem, in which case I will know if its a faulty headset..........

Pretty pissed off as have spent zero time doing any proper flying the last 2 weeks, just endless trouble shooting and re installing sh1t..........Its a shame, as the first 2 weeks of Pro ownership, it worked great and teh visual / performance upgrade was fantastic.......but just started suddenly freezing while in use.......anyway, will keep you updated......

For sure, the first contact with QP after G2 in terms of set-up is a road through ordeal. It is neither easy nor pleasant. It's just that these goggles are made to play this Beat Sabre  without a cable, standing in the room and fanning your hands . We need something else.

But, after playing with settings for a while, it will be work properly. You have to remember the order of what to run, what to remove, some options to turn off and it starts to be fun. There are a few more clicks than with G2, G2 is more user friendly when we talk about settings and "fast access", but it's not bad. You just need to know and remember about the right order of what to turn on and when.

[slughead]

2 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

Hmm, appreciate the input, but Lukas advised changing to the V55 as v54 was "notoriously buggy" and he was aware of several issues with link attributed to it.......so I changed, but it's made no difference, I am still getting the freezes so I think its safe to assume that my problem exists whether I am using V54 or v55.......and therefore lies elsewhere. 

 

I am on v54 with no problems over link cable. I’ve not seen any reports of problems with v54 and link cable on the atmeta forum (the official meta/oculus) forum. Anyway, no problem. Good luck.

[markturner1960]

Yeah, understood& thanks! . However, Lukas is taking the time to help me and so I follow his guidance! 

[DayGlow]

On 6/19/2023 at 5:40 AM, Hippo said:

After viewing Ismael's (above) and Lukas's videos (thanks guys), and considering the more reasonable £999 price tag I decided to give QP a go and mine arrived on Friday.  I was hoping perhaps for some suggestions or thoughts from QP veterans regarding the negatives below.

But first the positives.

• Coming from a Quest 2, the improvements in clarity, colour and brightness are amazing, and well worth the upgrade.  I was in the civil sim F-18 yesterday and had a first in VR: I was blinded by the sun's reflection in the mirror.
• The point made by Ismael that that he prefers the open design was intriguing.  I would also have expected a confiict of the senses but find that my brain fools me into thinking that when I, e.g. roll, my hotas, and my room roll with me, and it's as if my carpet becomes the cockpit floor.  Perhaps even adding to immersion; most peculiar.  I still need the side blinkers though.  I have ordered Meta's light blocker (at an extortionate £50!) as I think I will prefer it for "normal" VR games.  Anyone else using this?  Any good?  Translational movement in VR whilst the floor remains stationary is not ideal, but I find that I can ignore it.  Being able to see the keyboard and controllers is also very handy.  The additional airflow makes things more comfortable too.
• Some say give me more pixels.  No (or at least not yet), say I.  Personally, I find that my 13900/4090 gets me Oculus SS all the way to the right + AA + reasonable settings + 72 fps over Dubai at low level, something that I thought would not be possible.  More pixels will surely take me into the land of ASW which I really try to avoid at all costs.  IMHO (and I realise it will be a controversial one) the QP is the perfect performance match for my system.  The Aero and the Pimax "QC" Crystal are just too expensive for me, and have IMHO too many pixels to push.
• And now I find, when not expecting it all, that we're going to be getting dynamic foveated rendering as well.  Thank you, thank you, thank you mbucchia for doing this.  And the missus, and your bunny, and whoever it was that just wouldn't let it lie on reddit.
• Local dimming.  The blacks are much better, but I do find the glowing in night flight a bit distracting.  Overall, an improvement.
• I did ponder returning it and waiting for the Q3, but won't that be using just one LCD?  Will it have global dimming?  The same lenses?  More pixels (see previous point)? No eye-tracking.  Sometimes it's just time to throw caution to the wind and... JFDI.

And now the negatives...

• This is Meta's beautiful headset for beautiful people (a club to which I do not belong), and my oversized and misshapen head is not compatible.  If I wear the headset for optimum comfort I find that the bottom of the screens are almost in my eye-line.  To get the best vertical FOV I have to angle the headset so that it (or, feels at least that) is pointing downwards, but then the lower edge only of the rear cup rests on my head.  I have currently alleviated this by, as suggested by others, flipping the rear cup so that it is upside-down.  This helps, but the main issue - acute forehead pain after around 30 mins - remains.  I have read elsewhere that people get used to it over time as the front pad gets softer.  I very nearly returned the headset on Friday evening because of this.  I have now also ordered a Globular Cluster replacement pads and strap set.  Hopefully this will help.  It especially grates that after dropping £999 I now have to fork out another £90 (inc light blocker).  I would be interested in hearing other views on the forehead pain, especially from the YT guys mentioned above, since IIRC they don't mention it at all in their videos.
• It gets warm, and being closer to your face, can make things a bit sweaty (not in DCS, just "normal" gaming).

TL;DR?  Thanks to the much improved visuals and reduced price this is an excellent headset choice for DCS, but some will find comfort has been sacrificed to looks.  I will be keeping it and selling my Q2.

 

I bought these 

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1385111150/simforge-b1-meta-oculus-quest-pro

and they help shift the front further down  makes a huge difference 

I have this along with the Globular Cluster comfort kit

https://www.amazon.ca/Globular-Cluster-Comfortable-Compatible-Pro-Soft/dp/B0BYNF7JXC

and it fits my larger head much better 

 

[slughead]

5 hours ago, nikoel said:

Thanks mate

I couldn't do the last step (where you go into the setting of the headset with your phone) unless I had my headset on. Otherwise went smoothly

Perhaps you meant that as a reply to something else?