Rear Admiral Manazir lessons on the F-14.

[AngleOff66]

Ward Carroll's channel

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by AngleOff66

[Kageseigi]

Thanks for the video!

At about 20:42 after he merged with the F-5, he said, "Typically, the first guy that goes up is in a bad place." Is there any specific reason for that? Especially when using the Tomcat?

[lunaticfringe]

From writings and conversation with a former TOPGUN XO (now deceased), taking two aircraft with roughly the same energy margin, the first one to make a large vertical move is going to be the one who runs out of energy first.  This can be offset in practice by having substantially more energy at the merge, but that can come with its own bag of issues.  It's also offset in section maneuvering through mutual support, and in that instance you want for somebody to get dynamic and into another plane of maneuver against the bandit, but this is 1 v 1 focused.  

This also does not supersede going nose high if you've abused an opponent into a place where he's slow, but you've still got lots of knots to stick your airplane in a place he can't get to in the aim of solving the rest of your angles and separation problems.  If you've punished him into being close to, or below, his vertical maneuvering margin to start the climb (like Manazir says- 230 knots in a Tomcat, or specific to whatever you're up against), and you're at 350 knots in a Tomcat- get out of plane, get up there, and ruin his day on your reentry. 

[AngleOff66]

Thanks lunaticfringe.

I'd be curious to learn what the admiral feels could be improved?  Also the comment at around 26:00 minutes: Oh he(jester) is getting fined for saying top gun stuff! HAHA!

[DD_Fenrir]

51 minutes ago, AngleOff66 said:

I'd be curious to learn what the admiral feels could be improved?

I think care is needed here; it looks a lot like he was flying the previous beta patch version, prior to the latest flight model tweaks and one in which the wing rock seemed amplified.

He already acknowledges the crucial lack of sensational feedback that pilots use when in real aircraft. It also must be borne in mind that a real Tomcat control column could have very different throw (angular travel envelope) and top of stick displacement (the distance a stick travels) for an expected AoA at a given airspeed when compared to your average flight-sim HOTAS; Nasty's muscle memory (at least 17 years rusty) might have been working against him if the stick was not exactly replicating the stick displacements he was used to.

Bear in mind he was flying the B in sim, whereas he acknowledges he previously had most of his time in As and Ds - while the D is close, it is a slightly heavier airframe.

All of the above would need to be accounted for and mitigated before a reliable answer could be truly expected.

Edited April 19, 2023 by DD_Fenrir

[lunaticfringe]

Re: setup- I'd be interested in knowing if Carroll has curves on his setup, and if so, how much, because the jet appeared very sluggish in axis response, and the rock was not anything good inputs on default settings wouldn't negate.  He appeared to be applying enough corrective controls, but the jet wasn't actually responding.  

[Callsign JoNay]

I think they made this video in the patch/version that had the wing rock on steroids. 

[AngleOff66]

I am not running the HB F-14 down.  I like it a lot(even though I cant fly it worth a darn), and I agree with the comments about Mr. Carroll's setup(we dont know), and missing physical cues. 

We all need 3dof freedom seats with ffb/bass shakers. j/k

I only mentioned it as a discussion, no insult to HB intended at all.

PS I am sure that the HB F-4 will be awesome as well.

[cheezit]

The nice thing for HB when it comes to their F-4(E?) is that at least the lift-and-drag part of the flight model won't take long to get right, as bricks are aerodynamically simple.