Kenan Posted July 11, 2005 Posted July 11, 2005 Yakhont on Mig29? The missile's almost big as the aircraft itself. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
Mechanist Posted July 11, 2005 Posted July 11, 2005 Strange, MBD-2-67U (4 FAB-100 in one ejection rack) on Mig-29? "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
Cobra360 Posted July 11, 2005 Posted July 11, 2005 That sounds about right. Only for stations 3 and 5 on the MiG-29A, I'm not sure if stations 2 and 6 are stressed for the weight on the S. Who want's to make a weapon mod? Anybody......?
Mechanist Posted July 11, 2005 Posted July 11, 2005 I think the 2nd and the 6th pylons are also able to carry the MBD-2-67U with FAB-100s because it is only 465kg (in the LO). As known the Mig-29A can carry the FAB-500 (yes it is 500kg :)) in their 2nd and 6th pylon ,so why can't it carry the MDB? "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
Alfa Posted July 11, 2005 Posted July 11, 2005 Very nice pic. Alfa the early MiG-29M of the eighties is model 9-15. The new model M and M2 are model 9-15D. I never seen the 9-25 model number before. I, on the other hand, have never heard of a "9-15D" designation :) . What would the "D" stand for? - remember that Russian suffix letters arent merely assigned in sequence......e.g. "M" for modified, "K" for "Korabelny"("ship based") etc. Anyway, look at the MiG-29K factory codes - 9-31 to 9-41 then compare them with the 9-15 to 9-25 :) . I read that India are getting some MiG-29K (9-31) fighters later this year. They were offered advanced versions of the K (9-41) and a two seat MiG-29KUB (9-47) but I think they went for the standard k model. No they didnt - the Indian order includes 12 single seat MiG-29K(9-41) and 4 two-seat(9-47) + Ka-28(Ka-27PL ASW) and Ka-31 early warning helicopters. The MiG-29K versions(9-41) is not more "advanced" than the original 9-31 version - it is merely the 9-31 refined to currrent tech standard - mainly firecontrol system based on MIL-1553 standard databus, Zhuk-M radar(in place of original N010 Zhuk) and cockpit layout with colour LCDs(first realised in SMT) instead of twin monochrome CRTs. It is possible that the MiG-29K for India furthermore will incorporate varies system components of Indian or other origin. Another pic of the MiG-29SMT. Note the large missile. It's the Yakhont, an anti-ship missile. To date it has not been intergrated on the MiG-29 as no customer has asked for it. I do not believe the Yakhont can be integrated with the MiG-29 - even in its airlaunched variant it weighs some 2 tons(the SSM version app. 4 tons) - it is too heavy and too large for the MiG-29. Antiship missiles compatible with MiG-29 versions(with proper systems support) are the Kh-35 and Kh-31A. 3 pics of the strange looking MiG-29UBT Basically the two-seat incarnation of the -SMT - unlike the -UB it has a small radar(the "OSA" phased array developed by NIIP), and is fully combat capable. - JJ. JJ
Cobra360 Posted July 11, 2005 Posted July 11, 2005 I'm well up to date on the MiG-29 variants. I think anyway. Alfa, do you have any links to the (9-25) designation. I googled it and could not find it, not even my (9-15D) designation. But I believe now that this designation would apply to any MiG-29M sold for export equiped with Western systems. http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avmig29.html#m4 The model numbers I know of are as follows. Just roughly from memory. 9-12 Fulcrum A 9-12A/B Fulcrum A export, A for Warsaw Pact, B for other nations. 9-51 Fulcrum B, MiG-29UB trainer, no radar. 9-13 Fulcrum C added ECM and fuel. 9-13S/SD/SE as above but added N019M radar and R-77. 9-17, SMT/1/2. Multirole with upgraded cockpit and systems. 9-52, UBT/1/2, two seater of the SMT. Full combat ability 9-15, 29M. Advanced multi-role combat ability. 9-15D, 29M1/2. 1 is single seat, 2 is two seater. full combat ability 9-25????? 29M also???? MiG-29KVP, one off test aircraft of the K. MiG-29K (9-31) initial K, carrier based multi-role fighter. MiG-29K (9-41) revised K for Indian Navy, updated avonics and Zhuk-M radar. MiG-29KUB (9-47) two seat version of the 9-41 with full combat ability. MiG-29OVT, Thrust vectored test bed and with wing tip pylons for extra R-73 missiles. And if the Yakhont is too big and heavy, which it does look to me BTW. Why is it put in front of a MiG-29 display?
Alfa Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 I'm well up to date on the MiG-29 variants. I think anyway. Alfa, do you have any links to the (9-25) designation. I googled it and could not find it, not even my (9-15D) designation. But I believe now that this designation would apply to any MiG-29M sold for export equiped with Western systems. http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avmig29.html#m4 The model numbers I know of are as follows. Just roughly from memory. 9-12 Fulcrum A 9-12A/B Fulcrum A export, A for Warsaw Pact, B for other nations. 9-51 Fulcrum B, MiG-29UB trainer, no radar. 9-13 Fulcrum C added ECM and fuel. 9-13S/SD/SE as above but added N019M radar and R-77. 9-17, SMT/1/2. Multirole with upgraded cockpit and systems. 9-52, UBT/1/2, two seater of the SMT. Full combat ability 9-15, 29M. Advanced multi-role combat ability. 9-15D, 29M1/2. 1 is single seat, 2 is two seater. full combat ability 9-25????? 29M also???? MiG-29KVP, one off test aircraft of the K. MiG-29K (9-31) initial K, carrier based multi-role fighter. MiG-29K (9-41) revised K for Indian Navy, updated avonics and Zhuk-M radar. MiG-29KUB (9-47) two seat version of the 9-41 with full combat ability. MiG-29OVT, Thrust vectored test bed and with wing tip pylons for extra R-73 missiles. Yes the factory codes you listed look quite accurate - except for the following: "9-15D, 29M1/2. 1 is single seat, 2 is two seater. full combat ability Which should be 9-25. I am sorry I cannot think of any links off hand, but I am quite certain about this Cobra :). The MiG-29M(9-15) and MiG-29K(9-31) are two sides of the same development - the MiG-29K is simply a navalised MiG-29M, while the MiG-29M uses items which were specifically developed for the MiG-29K - such as the engines(Klimov RD-33K). The projects were "mothballed" in the early 90´ies because there werent any funds available for continuing them after the collapse of the Soviet Union. However, MIG continiued the development on a low level, and as mentioned in my last post, the "new" MiG-29M and MiG-29K versions are simply a matter of picking up where the development stalled about a decade ago and update the systems with the latest gadgets developed since then. A total of six MiG-29M(9-15) prototypes were built - numbered "151 to "156". The first two digits(15) denoting the version, and the last digit the number of the prototype. It is the same thing with the MiG-29K - 9-31 hence bort numbers "311" and "312" for the two prototypes. Anyway, the fourth 9-15 airframe was the one used as basis for the new MiG-29M2 prototype....thats why you can see the bort # "154" on the tailfin tips, while the sixth airframe was used as basis for the "OVT" - hence # "156" on the tailfin tips of this. To distinguish the latest incarnations from the original versions, MIG simply raised the version code number by 10 - i.e. 9-31 to 9-41 and 9-15 to 9-25 :) . 9-13S/SD/SE as above but added N019M radar and R-77. 9-13S applies to the MiG-29S(and MiG-29SE - the added "E" simply stands for export) with the N019M radar. However, the MiG-29SD version(the one sold to Malaysia) is not a 9-13S, but based on the 9-12 airframe(no internal jammer) with the addition of the "bolt-on" IFR probe. IIRC the factory code for the MiG-29SD is 9-12S. I dont think there is an UBT-1/2 designation - only -UBT. The reason why there is an SMT-1 and SMT-2, is that the SMT-1 upgrade includes a further upgraded N019 radar called "N019MP"(BTW first realised in the MiG-29SM - factory code 9-13M), which in addition to the features of the N019M also incorporates air-to-ground radar modes. The SMT-2 upgrade includes the Zhuk-M radar instead. For the UBT there is only one radar option - the OSA mentioned earlier, which can be fitted to the UB airframe(didnt originally have a radar) because it is a very light and compact design. And if the Yakhont is too big and heavy, which it does look to me BTW. Why is it put in front of a MiG-29 display? Beats me - are you sure that the weapons line-up is displayed as "belonging" to the -SMT?....occasionally a heap of weapons are displayed between aircraft without there being specific relation to these. But then again it wouldnt be the first time that a Russian aircraft has been displayed with weapons - fitted with even - that it isnt actually compatible with ;) . - JJ. JJ
Kenan Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 So the Malaysian Migs dont have onboard jammers? What's the point in having them then? I thought their Migs were a bit more advanced then the standard A version? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
Cobra360 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 They are a bit. The have the N019M radar and are thus able to launch the R-77 missile. So they are a bit more advanced than the standard A version. Besides Malaysia have an order of Su-30MKMs due. The MiG-29SD will become the secondary backup fighter then.
Alfa Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 They are a bit. The have the N019M radar and are thus able to launch the R-77 missile. .....and they have the inflight refuelling capability :) Besides Malaysia have an order of Su-30MKMs due. The MiG-29SD will become the secondary backup fighter then. Yes and I believe they split their order between "Su-30MKM"s and the F/A-18Es - in the same way they did earlier with the MiG-29SD/F-18. Incidently the MiG-29M2 was a contender to the Su-30MKM and F/A-18E for that tender - hence the reason why the MiG-29M2 was seen at MAKS-2001 with the "MRCA" painted on its tailfins :) - JJ. 1 JJ
Cobra360 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Really?! I did not think the Superhornet deal went through. I knew they were considering it. Thanks for the info Alfa. That's some mix of fighters Malaysia will have. F/A-18D/E, MiG-29SD and Su-30MKMs. It will be good to see how they compare to each other in training. I think the MKM will out perform them in pure performance stakes.
Pilotasso Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Malaysia had a serious economic crisis. Their previous batch of Mig-29 wich participated on that famous exercise wich gave the aussies an upset are in dificulties of airworthiness. Acording to a magazine I have they only got an estimated 8 planes cerviceable at one time. The state of the F-18 fleet is unknown. In my view this is more like an angressive wake up call to its rival neighbor, singapore with wich keeps an arms race, but will eventualy reflect of fleet scale down if current economic situation doesnt improve. I think its incoherent to buy fighters and then mothball them after a vain temporary chest banging. Singapore could very well wait for bankrupcy, then buy Malaysia if they ever intened to "invade" it. Sad. .
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