solved Training all but empty?

[Slippa]

After having different modules for yonks I decided it was time for a conversion.

I’ve looked through and bound a few controls but when I went to Training the screen was blank. Nothing there for take-offs, landings, nothing. I checked other modules training options. Blanks everywhere and I have almost every module. The Mossie has its rockets training, the Apache had something left I think but almost everything’s gone elsewhere.

I only have OB installed now. Tried MT too but they’re still missing. I’m running a slow repair, don’t have any mods installed. Made sure any mods were disabled with OVGME. Will add a log file if needed once it’s finished repairing.

I checked through but didn’t find anyone with a similar thing. Maybe I missed something but if I want to convert to type I’d like a bit of something other than trotting online to YT etc.

Cheers for looking, any ideas welcome. 

[Slippa]

I did a long repair. Not sure anything’s any different but I’ve found the training ‘missions’. They’re not in the Training menu still but when trying the different modules from their individual icons, then instant action, it’s all good.

Maybe I misremembered them being on the Training page and they were never there? Why have Training in the right hand title page menu with no content?

anyhow, all sorted.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Slippa
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[Slippa]

Erm, it isn’t sorted.

I checked quickly earlier, thought it was all good and went away. I’ve just searched around for the training bits but they’re nowhere to be seen.

Have they gone altogether or is something up with my installation?

I’ve managed to take off as well as land without banging it but I’ve no idea how to cold start. Off to YouTube then if I can’t find any here. Seems odd to me.

[MAXsenna]

What modules are these apart from the Mossie and Apache?
Have you checked if the files actually are there? /mods/aircraft/modulename/missions/training...

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[Slippa]

Cheers for the nod,

I just checked before looking here. The only training thing I have is Rocket training for the Mossie.

Seeing this, I checked D:SavedGames/OpenBeta/mods/aircraft/modulename/ There's only a skins folder in there for all the modules.

Checking Program files (On the C drive) then DCSWorldOpenBeta/mods/aircraft/modulename/missions/ training is there as well as a skins folder etc.

I have my saved games folder on a D drive. Will I have to copy everything from program files on C for every module or is there a quicker way?

[Art-J]

All training missions are by default located in game folder only (mods/aircraft etc.), never in Saved Games location, and in the game they should all be accessible via Training Missions menu.

Something's amiss in your installation then but I wonder why long repair hasn't fixed it. BTW, what happens if you temporarily rename the whole Saved Games/DCS.openbeta folder and launch the game?

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Slippa said:

I have my saved games folder on a D drive. Will I have to copy everything from program files on C for every module or is there a quicker way?

No no! Leave that! I was talking about the core folder, not Saved Games! 

This is what I have.

 

 

 

 

[Slippa]

Cheers both of ya,

I’ll try renaming my saved games folder and run another long repair. Impatience got the better of me and I copied almost 30gb (aircraft folder) in to replace what was there in my saved games folder. You’ll both probably be aware that I shouldn’t have as of course, it didn’t work.

I’ll delete that replacement aircraft folder in saved games. Rename the folder, run a repair and report back later. 

[Slippa]

Well...

I feel like a Labrador must feel after chewing a hole in the sofa while everyone was out of sight. I've got a tangled mess of nonsense for SSDs. Noone to blame but myself. Folders of 'safety saved games folder' backups. They're dated back a while, each around 50gb and I really will delete them once I've got it all as should be.

I forgot to delete the aircraft folder but renamed my saved games folder and ran a long repair. Checked my D drive and found a training folder like this:

I thought it must've been sorted but I tried OB - Training, and still, nothing there but Rocket training in the Mossie. I mean, fair enough, I could always do with more training, my bombing still leaves a lot to be desired and horrifies my ground grews. I've blown more Mossie wings off than I've hit targets so won't be bumped up to Wing Co just yet. Weird how those are all that survives in the training menu.

I'm gonna have to have a clear out once I sort DCS out. SSDs are looking a bit podgy. What I've managed to do and how is beyond me so any pointers (short of giving it a whack) very welcome.

[MAXsenna]

You don't have multiple installations btw, and are repairing the wrong one?

As for backup of Saved Games, there shouldn't be any need to backup the mods folder if you have mods that got there. It will probably better to symlink it to another disk along with liveries.

Are you using Skatezilla's app? You should!

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[Slippa]

I’m not using Skatezillas app no. I tried it a while back but had too much going on that I wasn’t sure about already and haven’t looked at it since. I got in enough of a mix even using ovgme and setting up mods. You wouldn’t think I like things in their place by looking at my drives but I do.

I did have DCS stable as well as OB but haven’t had stable installed for a while. 

Given the state of everything I’m tempted to have a proper cleanup. I’ll save Liveries, Configs and whatever else I can think of to a external and reinstall the lot. My C drive’s in the red even though I’ve tried to keep as much of DCS (saved games folder) on my D drive. It all needs sorting out again. I have a partitioned drive running Bootcamp that I could spare at least 500gb of. 

Still no training available even though they’re in there somewhere. Just to test it I created a folder, dropped the training .miz things in there then tried to load one from the ME. Didn’t work either lol.

Puzzling.

[Art-J]

Sounds like a good idea. Just remember that neither repair nor cleanup nor even full game reinstall do anything in Saved Games folder. So/but if there's something in that one that causes problems, it will still cause problems afterwards. That's why it's so important to remove/rename the possibly corrupted Saved Games when troubleshooting, otherwise you can keep repairing the main game folder / reinstalling till your eyes bleed and it won't help a thing. 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Art-J

[Slippa]

Cheers Art-J, I am the type to reinstall til my eyes bleed if I get the idea it’ll help. Cheers for pulling the reigns on that for me before I start.

I’m waiting for drives at the minute, when I’ve got them here I’ll get the mop and bucket out and have a good clean up. 
if I suss out what’s going on with the training bits I’ll post. Never know who it may help.

[Slippa]

Just had a look around and a little clean up.

I have DCS OB installed, no other versions. I ran a long repair.

Training bits are there and my C drive looks like this;

My D drive, where I have my Saved Games folder, has the Training bits too and looks like this;

I can't take screenshots of DCS, maybe because I use a Mac with a Mac keyboard, I dunno? Either way, I haven't sussed it but when I open DCS OB then go to Training it opens up on the Mossie rockets practice and every other module has no training missions or anything at all.

I've no idea how it got this way nor how to reset things. Short of uninstalliing DCS and Re-installing I've tried everything I know and as Art said, trying that wouldn't do me any good anyhow.

There's a log file in case anyone can make anything of it dcs.log

As ever, enlightenment on my entanglement more than welcome. So to speak and Cheers.

[MAXsenna]

@Slippa
Aha! I'm betting your installation is totally borked. There should be absolutely no whatsoever training missions in Saved Games. Delete the lua files in Saved Games to see if that fixes it.
Once I tried to mess with things, and that didn't work. Could be that luas in Saved Games override core, while that just doesn't work. I remember now while testing it, it just screws up or confuses DCS.

To be honest. I'm inclined to recommend you to start from scratch. Rename ALL DCS folders under Saved Games,(for backup only). Rename the core Eagle Dynamics folders where you installed. Or FFS, just delete them. And then just re-install. I wouldn't normally recommend this, but this time it's probably quicker.

So, you don't have a keyboard key that will cos play as a Windows key? Or you could just LWin+LShft+S for Snip&Sketch.

Cheers!

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[Slippa]

I’m gonna have a quick flight and make some room somewhere for backups. Then it’s time to go for a big wipe and another re-install.

Thanks for the help, will no doubt update here, hopefully with a result. Oh and I’ll try the keyboard shortcuts too, see if I can sort that as well. I did look up alternate keys for all kinds of stuff and promised myself a windows keyboard at one point. Will have a look, cheers.

Edited September 10, 2023 by Slippa
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[Art-J]

As I and Max pointed before, don't bother with reinstall if you still have that old, messy Saved Games folder affecting your game, 'cause it's clear by now that repair doesn't work (ergo: the culprit is indeed hidden somewhere in the Saved Games, which should contain no training related files whatsoever). Once again, get rid of old Saved Games/DCS first (even temporarily, by renaming), launch the game, let it rebuild "clean" Saved Games and check if the missing missions showed up. No point in wasting your time otherwise.

[Slippa]

I deleted my saved games folder on the D drive last night. Uninstalled DCS OB via the control panel but still had to manually delete OB folders. Reinstalled OB which loaded butt naked, no terrain, modules etc. so I started installing those. It got stuck trying to download the DCS updater? Said it was gonna be 2 hours or something but sat there way too long. I cancelled out, turned it all off and opened a fully functioning bottle of beer. After an hour or so I was ready for my whiskey update but this morning I was trying to uninstall everything promising never to do it again.

I checked DCS, opened Training and it went straight to Mossie Rocket practice. There's nothing else for training on the few modules that are there. It's like something out of Groundhog Day.

I'm gonna delete saved games, then uninstall DCS again. I'll check drives for anything Eagle Dynamics and delete if I find any. I might even clean the drive before getting back on the installation ride. If it works, I'll rename the DCS launch icon Digital Carousel Simulator and see where it gets me this time.

More as it comes...

Edited September 10, 2023 by Slippa
download not update

[Slippa]

Last night it was taking forever to download the DCS Updater.

Now, it's taking almost half as long. I'm sure something's up with this?

[MAXsenna]

Well, it's not downloading the Updater. Seems to be the core base game (~43GB), and then your DLCs (~135GB). How long does it take? I get about 63MB/s, which takes about 10 minutes at most with a regular update at ~60GB. You get half my speed and twice the data, so 45 minutes would be normal.
Sorry for not asking before, but please drag and drop your DCS log file here.

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[Slippa]

I've had my ISP tech out to check my connection. They did a full reinstallation to make sure everything was fresh. They went away quite happy but I'm still not happy with my speeds when checking with a speedtest or whatnot. Something's up as I have more trouble using the ethernet cable than I do wireless.

Anyhow... I installed almost everything. all modules, some of the maps and I copied and replaced my config folder, options folder etc. into my saved games folder.

When I deleted DCS earlier, instead of deleting the whole saved games folder that I've already diverted to the D drive, I deleted just DCS as I have other stuff like Frontier in there too. Not sure if that should make a difference, just trying to give as much info on what I've done.

It's only just finished installing all of it. I went straight to training. Got another spanking, nothing there but the rockets training on the Mossie.

Now, I'm flummoxed with a hint of bamboozle. Groundhog Day.

cheers for looking.

dcarousels groundhog log.log 

ETA - The Huey has three demonstration videos for take off etc. too. Everything else is empty in the training, apart from the indestructible rocket practice.

I can’t get anything to give me a screenshot. shortcut for even the snipping tool won’t work once DCS is loaded.

Edited September 10, 2023 by Slippa

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Slippa said:

but I'm still not happy with my speeds when checking with a speedtest or whatnot.

What speed do you pay for?

1 hour ago, Slippa said:

I copied and replaced my config folder, options folder etc. into my saved games folder.

Hmm, what exactly do you mean by this?

1 hour ago, Slippa said:

instead of deleting the whole saved games folder

That is correct. Only delete/rename the DCS folders.

1 hour ago, Slippa said:

I can’t get anything to give me a screenshot. shortcut for even the snipping tool won’t work once DCS is loaded.

Open controls settings, select UI Layer in the dropdown, find screen capture and add a spare key combo/joystick key.

[Slippa]

I’ve a folder called sillysafe as that’s where I keep bits I’ll need when it comes to replacing something. Usually because I’ve done something silly, so there’s a ‘safe’ for silly bits. A backup if you like, but I already have multiple folders (on external ssds) named backup and the like so it’s a futile attempt to avoid confusing myself any more than is necessary .

Inside the sillysafe I have a copy of my options settings for DCS, Liveries folder, Config folder etc. If and when I need to rename my saved games folder and reset or reinstall DCS I go to the saved games folder on my D drive, open my sillysafe folder, copy the folders I want, my settings etc. Then I’ll open D/SavedGames/DCSOB and paste (and in some cases replace) the options, liveries, kneeboards folders. I have DCS installed on my C drive, my Saved Games folder on my D drive. I try not to fiddle with program files or anything DCS on the C drive but sometimes go venturing about if I can’t sort liveries or something out. General rule is to keep myself out of there as if I bugger anything up in there I won’t have any sillysafes or anything like it to fix it up again. 

Good shout on the screeny thing, I’ll have a look in a bit, I’m not by the computer at the mo but cheers for the tip. 

The speed thing is a weird one. I’m meant to be getting 264Mb download, 25Mb up. There’s a ‘speedboost’ thing to M25 Volt whatever that is. doing a speed test on a mobile device comes back about where it should be but I had silly lower numbers when on the PC hard-wired. I leave it Wi-Fi all the time now. I don’t know?
I‘d rather have it hard-wired. I haven’t looked at all that for a while as there’s always something better to get on with and so long as it’s workable it doesn’t get my attention.

I had a quick look at the ME earlier, plonked a 109 at Detling to check skins and bindings were ok. They seem alright so apart from a bit of tinkering I’m about where I was yesterday. My ‘OTU’ at present is like a ghost town so not very Operational still . Weird how the Mossie rocket practice has survived though.

ETA screenies from an ipad.

I have both the Assets Pack and the Supercarrier. Then again, until a few days ago I thought I had stuff in the training menu.

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by Slippa

[Slippa]

The screeny thing is greyed out and unclickable all along the column. I couldn’t even bind it to a toe brake.

I had a quick flight last night, the modules I tried all worked fine, bindings all good which is the first time that’s worked properly after a re installation. Where all the training’s gone is baffling. I take it those ‘missions’ should be in C only and not in D/saved games so at least I’ll have cleaned up the mess made in D. 

Not a clue where to go here. I can fly and probably find cold start stuff on YT so I can make do for now. It’ll bug the sh*t out of me though but when I get a couple of ssds soon I’ll do a complete OS reinstall. See what goes on with another fresh install of DCS then? I have other stuff installed, DCS is the only one out of them that ever gives me any trouble. Wouldn’t be so bad if DCS wasn’t pretty much exclusively all I ever load up.

I was too quick to mark this as solved and I can’t work out how to mark it unsolved again. Never mind, like I said, for now I can fly so it’s no big deal, puzzling and aggravating though.

cheers.

 

 

[Slippa]

I've just been mining in the D drive. I had a Mods folder there with training missions in aircraft folders. I deleted the lot, around 30gb. I ran a long repair and rebooted DCS. Training no different, just the indestructable Mossie rockets.

My C Drive has the elusive trainers:

Todays log if it gives anyone any clues?

dcs grounhog6.5.log

Cheers for looking.