Caldera Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Hey All, Probably been brought up before but I can not find the thread. It has been going on since I started playing the game, where an enemy vehicle under attack will disperse. If water is near it will sometimes (often) disperse into the water. A portion of the vehicle is visible above the surface and it becomes invincible. The water itself shows, for example bullet strikes, but the vehicle itself can not be damaged. I don't think ED has put this on their hot fix list, so other than not placing vehicles near water or not letting the disperse is there any known work arounds? Thanks in advance, Caldera 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKULA_OPTIMUS Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Yea, thats very annoying, as they become invincible once they enter the water, I don´t know of any solution for that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 We need a track in order to witness the invincibility issue. Here's one where I shoot at Abrams in a Ka-50. One of them disperses into water. I then fire one Vikhr at him and it takes 96% damage and starts burning. Abrams and water.trk Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 Flappie, I will see what I can do. As always, the track size limitation limits many bug reports because you can not edit just the section where the suspect bug is in a long track file. The track file in a mission where I notice this happening is a long one. Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 If you can at least tell me which terrain and which part of the terrain you witnessed it in, I can try again. Was it SP or MP? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted October 29, 2023 Author Share Posted October 29, 2023 Hi Flappie, I have flown my mission a few more times and vehicles have driven into the water randomly when attacked. As the dispersion AI is random, so is the vehicles driving into the water. Also I should mention that the mission is flown in the Apache and I am using the gun to attack the vehicles. The location is SW of Batumi where a road goes around a bend and comes close to the water adjacent to some power line towers. I am playing in SP. But, I believe that I have noticed a few things. The main thing I have noticed is that indeed you are correct, vehicles can be destroyed in the water. Looking specifically for a problem, I began to notice the destroyed vehicle messages that I had missed early on. What I did notice after I got a vehicle destroyed message at various times: Shows fire and smoke animation as well as changing into a destroyed vehicle. Shows no fire and smoke animation as well as remains an undestroyed (normal looking) vehicle and will not move any more. Shows no fire and smoke animation as well as remains an undestroyed (normal looking) vehicle and sinks into the water (vanishing). Obviously I had thought that if an actually destroyed vehicle does not show any graphical change, nor reported damage then it appeared to me to be invincible. As no further damage occurs if I keep shooting at it. Let me mention that because I use the laser when shooting the gun I have also learned that some how the water throws the range off a bit and I have to adjust my aim (typically low) to hit the vehicle, adding to my initial misconception. Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) OK, so this was a new one! This truck drove into the river and then initially stopped. But then drove into the river farther and then went nose down, as only the canopy was visible. While this was occurring the truck appeared to be floating down the river at a slow pace either that or moving on only its front two wheels. After a short time the truck stopped again and appeared to be on all 10 wheels again. It a drove on for a bit and then stopped, at which point I shot it with the gun on the Apache. After hitting the truck, as you can see the truck is still only smoking lightly and not destroyed. Caldera Edited November 23, 2023 by Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 I kept shooting and eventually got a Vehicle Destroyed message. At that point the vehicle never caught on fire. But it did sink below the surface. Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 This one drove into the water. I must have killed it early and not realized it. Guessing I put 300 rounds at it and no change in appearence. Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 OK, but I still need a DCS track showing this, please. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) Flappie, Here is a track file, but of what use I do not know. You will have to wait through a few minutes of cockpit set-up at the start. The video of the track is completely wacked from what actually happened. In my first attack sequence I attack four T-55's and I destroy them with 5 missiles (the first missile missed). In the track video the tanks are not hit nor disperse, and just keep driving to their way point. In the next attack sequence I attack and destroy 6 BTR-80's with the gun. None of these vehicles show up in my track. In the last attack, and the driving into the water sequence, I attack 4 BTR-80's and 3 URAL-4320's with the gun. None of these vehicles show up in my track. From memory... One of the trucks drives into the water. It stops. Then it continues on only driving on the front 2 wheels. It stops again, still balancing on the front 2 wheels. It performs a fast 180 degree turn (instantaneously) and begins to drive toward the shore on the reverse path, still balancing only on the front 2 wheels. When it gets near the shore it transforms to driving on all wheels, as normal. At this point I fire on it with the gun (allot). I believe that I destroyed it, but the truck showed still undamaged. At some point, I may recall (but maybe not), that I fired a missile at a BTR-80 that also had driven into the water. But still showed undamaged after the missile struck (appeared to strike). In the track, when missiles and guns are firing, I am shooting at "something" not just empty space. But none of that appears in the video. I could send you the missile file, but it is too large to post on this website. Caldera VEHICLES IN WATER 01.trk Edited December 2, 2023 by Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 A new one... This vehicle stopped in the water and also in the shore, submerged in both. I had STT locked when it was destroyed, which when the vehicle was destroyed the lock brackets moved away as they normally do when a vehicle is destroyed. Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Hi @Caldera. Your track would not play correctly indeed. I've just reproduced the issue: a truck fled into water, apparently unscathed. I shot two missiles at it, but its status remained the same. I eventually noticed it was not existing anymore (no label in 3D view, no label in the F10 map). I'll ask devs about it. Non-amphibious vehicles should not enter water in any case. Ka-50 vs trucks in water.trk Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 Thanks Flappie! This one just for humor... Caldera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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