investigating 2.9 FSR,NIS,TAA bug?

[FreSh2115]

Hi. New update, new bugs! FSR,NIS,TAA-really good graphic options for lower/mid-end PC. In other games that options works really good, improving my fps with little cost of quality(almost not noticable). But not in DCS. As u can see in the video after enabling one of those three settings, the textures(in this example the most noticable f16 canopy) stutters, there is some ghosting? I dont know how to name that. After switching back to MSAA (2x for me is most optimal) everything looks fine, but at cost of my valuable fps . I keep in mind those options are new to the game but i don't remember to have this issue in other games. Take a look and see if you have any ideas. Be safe!

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by FreSh2115

[Dragzor]

Thats a known issues with taa motion vectors, predictions or sth. DLSS and FSR has sometimes issues liek these in AAA games, dcs is no exception. Can be fixed.

[Tepnox]

Ghosting is nothing new to TAA / DLSS / FSR - for superior image quality I would go with DLAA. DLAA is only Anti-Aliasing without upsampling. You need to disable upsampling methods first to use DLAA.

Check out the edges if you like MSAA or DLAA more. Personal choice.

[FreSh2115]

11 minutes ago, Tepnox said:

Ghosting is nothing new to TAA / DLSS / FSR - for superior image quality I would go with DLAA. DLAA is only Anti-Aliasing without upsampling. You need to disable upsampling methods first to use DLAA.

Check out the edges if you like MSAA or DLAA more. Personal choice.

Thanks for reply. I would be using DLAA, but i don't have RTX series graphic card unfortunetly :/// But maybe for someone, your reply would be helpfull  

14 minutes ago, Dragzor said:

Thats a known issues with taa motion vectors, predictions or sth. DLSS and FSR has sometimes issues liek these in AAA games, dcs is no exception. Can be fixed.

If u say so i guess i need to stick with good old MSAA till  ED fix this in next OB patch. Thanks for reply.

Edited October 19, 2023 by FreSh2115

[Tepnox]

3 minutes ago, FreSh2115 said:

Thanks for reply. I would use DLAA, but i don't have RTX series graphic card unfortunetly :/// But maybe for someone, your reply would be helpfull  

You are absolutely right. DLAA requires a RTX card. Looks like I am too long fixed with team green to assume this prerequisite is met by the majority of gamers. Welp.

[kira_mikamy]

i have same problem using TAA (i dont have RTX) completely useless to use taa at the moment it completely ruins the experience and the graphics, im a bit sad about that was hoping to a minum stable realese about taa and not something to test from beginning, so, nothing change if you dont have an rtx and have the possibilities to use dlss.

some pic with taa on, NO fsr or nis, maxed graphics  1080p.

[FreSh2115]

53 minutes ago, kira_mikamy said:

i have same problem using TAA (i dont have RTX) completely useless to use taa at the moment it completely ruins the experience and the graphics, im a bit sad about that was hoping to a minum stable realese about taa and not something to test from beginning, so, nothing change if you dont have an rtx and have the possibilities to use dlss.

some pic with taa on, NO fsr or nis, maxed graphics  1080p.

Yup, clearly the same problem.  I'm sure there is nothing wrong about our hardware and the problem lies on the side of the game (2.9 update). I hope ED would do something about it relatively quickly. As u said it ruins the experience and fun while flying. Lets wait for another patch fix. They should release it soon like they are doing it when bigger update comes in. Don't get dizzy with those "extra effects"!

Edited October 20, 2023 by FreSh2115

[FusRoPotato]

They probably should allow using MSAA, FXAA, or nothing with the other upscalers. Those types of AA are a little more costly in performance, but they don't render the game unplayable and still offer performance gains over native without the blurryness of the lesser resolution.

Games with small and fast-moving dots and objects just don't work with TAA. 

Also, I'm very surprised that after DLSS and FSR were implemented, that there still is no option to run basic upscaling. You know, that feature 95% of all games offer? With my old card, I had to decrease my windows resolution to 1080p, or, run the game fullscreen, because there was no basic upscaling for a window. Fun fact, if you run the game in windowed mode and change your desktop back and forth between 1080p and 1440p, the game will get stuck with a 1440p sized window running at 1080p render resolution. You can literally bug the game to offer this feature, but it's not an option?

[KoN]

On 11/4/2023 at 10:34 PM, FusRoPotato said:

They probably should allow using MSAA, FXAA, or nothing with the other upscalers. Those types of AA are a little more costly in performance, but they don't render the game unplayable and still offer performance gains over native without the blurryness of the lesser resolution.

Games with small and fast-moving dots and objects just don't work with TAA. 

Also, I'm very surprised that after DLSS and FSR were implemented, that there still is no option to run basic upscaling. You know, that feature 95% of all games offer? With my old card, I had to decrease my windows resolution to 1080p, or, run the game fullscreen, because there was no basic upscaling for a window. Fun fact, if you run the game in windowed mode and change your desktop back and forth between 1080p and 1440p, the game will get stuck with a 1440p sized window running at 1080p render resolution. You can literally bug the game to offer this feature, but it's not an option?

It's an old game engine with lots of patches . 

TAA needs tweaking I get clear lines but ghosting effects and shimmer over all .