Heatblur... Please Consider Making A Proper F15C

[Buzz313th]

Just saw the trailer for your Phantom...  Wow!

I'm a buyer...

 

If any developer was too attempt a 15C, I would want it to be you guys.

 

Cheers.

[scommander2]

F-15C was developed by ED:

F-15C for DCS World (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

F-15E was developed by RAZBAM:

DCS: F-15E (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

I am not sure that a same plane can be developed by two different teams, unless HB would like to take F-15A or F-15EX.  Yes, HB has delivered the great jobs likes F-14 and F-4, hope HB can produce more planes in the future... 

Edited November 2, 2023 by scommander2

[Buzz313th]

I think I read somewhere that ED will not be making anymore Gen4 modules..  So I think that could be it on hoping ED makes a FF 15C.   So hoping another Dev takes up the task of it.  My comment could have been confusing since I did not mention "Full Fidelity".

[draconus]

1 hour ago, Buzz313th said:

I think I read somewhere that ED will not be making anymore Gen4 modules.. 

No, Wags only said that they'll eventually reach a point in the future when there will be not many left gen 4 fighters to model.

Edited November 2, 2023 by draconus

[Buzz313th]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

No, Wags only said that they'll eventually reach a point in the future when there will be not many left gen 4 fighters to model.

 

Well that's good.  Which "Kinda" Leaves the door open for ED to revisit a FF F15C, but not sure if their profit projection on such a project would be worth it for them, which is why it might be a project for a different developer.  The current FC3 15C is just missing so much soul and character that it's existence as a Low Fidelity Sim does it so much injustice.

The F4 looks like it's just bursting at the seams with character.  Really looking forward to this module.

Cheers. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Buzz313th

[Art-J]

The problem of "profit projection being worth it" applies to 3rd parties as well, however. Even more so than to ED, because each 3rd party has just much less resources and smaller number of modules to make up for potential losses on less popular ones.

 

[Buzz313th]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

The problem of "profit projection being worth it" applies to 3rd parties as well, however. Even more so than to ED, because each 3rd party has just much less resources and smaller number of modules to make up for potential losses on less popular ones.

True, but different developers might have different opinions on the projected profit of a particular project.  Example..  I believe a High Fidelity 15C would sell like hotcakes.  Others may disagree with me.  If one developer decides not to take it on, then another may take the opportunity.

 

Lets face it..  The F15C is a classic jet.  It's also nearing the end of it's life as a frontline asset.  This "should" make it easier to get legitimate documentation on it. 

The F4 is a classic jet, in the top 5 IMHO of classic jets.  The 15C will arguably be right next to the F4 in that classic jet category at some point.  

The plane and it's fans deserve a timeless rendition of it's soul and character.    I'm a buyer.  

Edited November 2, 2023 by Buzz313th

[Dragon1-1]

An FF F-15C is probably coming at some point, but I hope it's not just an upgraded mid-2000s version. We need the classic 90s F-15 for Gulf War era scenarios.

Also, most people don't know it, but it can carry and drop dumb bombs. It can also strafe. Accommodations for air to ground are limited, but they exist in USAF F-15s. They're not used operationally and pilots don't train for this, but the F-15 does have air to ground avionics modes.

[Stackup]

4 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Also, most people don't know it, but it can carry and drop dumb bombs.

I thought that was just an A and B model thing.  If the C model could do it, why can't ours?  All the other FC3 aircraft that can have them.

[Dragon1-1]

Presumably because ED didn't know about it, because it's an obscure bit of info and FC3 aircraft aren't that in-depth. Notably, other FC3 fighters do carry bombs in Russian service. Su-27 and MiG-29 pilots train for bombing, as well as air to air. The Eagle drivers in the US service do not.

As for actually carrying bombs, well: 

Here's the F-15C prototype with FAST packs and a training bombload. Not many pics like this because this was an incredibly rare, testing-only configuration, but it was tested and approved.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

21 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

I hope it's not just an upgraded mid-2000s version

Yes indeed: I think a '91 model with MSIP would be perfect. Ready to slap on AIM120s if people feel so inclined but the classic cockpit for the old-school feel. Best of both worlds  
It could even come with AIM-120As, since we don't have those yet in DCS...

[Buzz313th]

36 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Yes indeed: I think a '91 model with MSIP would be perfect. Ready to slap on AIM120s if people feel so inclined but the classic cockpit for the old-school feel. Best of both worlds  
It could even come with AIM-120As, since we don't have those yet in DCS...

I kinda like the latest model 15C..  I like the big glass and I think the pilot is kinda cute. 

News to me is that the 15C had a JHMCS.

Considering the technology and methods/tactics that is probably incorporated in to the purpose of that big screen, I doubt we will ever see any sort of realistic representation of that model Eagle in DCS.   

It's probably all about completely passive/visual BVR capabilities through an aircraft network that includes Satellites, AWACS, Ground stations/forces, JSTARS and Ally aircraft.  The most recent 15's probably never need to light up the radar to lob AIM-120's

 

https://youtu.be/zikI2fazPLo

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21081/the-usaf-has-quietly-added-large-multi-function-cockpit-displays-to-its-f-15c-fleet

Edited November 17, 2023 by Buzz313th

[YenLin801215]

It's great if heatblur make the F-15C.
Really Hope Heatblur make the F-15C with JHMCS.

[Schmidtfire]

On 11/17/2023 at 11:03 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

Presumably because ED didn't know about it, because it's an obscure bit of info and FC3 aircraft aren't that in-depth.

Im sure ED knows about it. There is a quick lua edit that re-enables the A-G mode and bomb fall line.

My guess is that ED at some point started working on F15C Air-Ground for FC3 but decided to stop that development and disable that functionality.

”Not a pound for air to ground”

 

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Schmidtfire

[Buzz313th]

Please feel free to vote..  Maybe, if the numbers seem favorable, it could leverage a 3rd party to take on the project...