Ramstein Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 I know we have the night vision goggles helmet mounted display in Black Sahrk. But, I am curious about this. If there are vehicles running (Engines are hot) and are in a forested area. You cannot see the vehicles in dense folliage, brush, and trees. Will the night Vision option help with seeing the engine heat in Black Shark.. Note: I now how Infrared imaging works, I working in electronics and engineering with expensive Color Infrared imaging, that was a long time ago though in Aerospce. But I did not work with night vision goggles. I am just not sure how this is modelled in Black Shark and what it can do, I have to go run some mission and try this stuff and see. We were flying amission this happened, and we just could not see the enemy trucks until they started shooting, and then we only saw the fire, not the vehicles in the thick woods. :joystick: ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI (trying to hang on for a bit longer) 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR
Brach Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 Now correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a distinct difference between night vision and infrared vision. 1) Night vision just amplifies the little light that there is when it is night. 2) Infrared vision allows you to see the infrared light spectrum translated into light we can percieve with our own eyes on a screen. With the latter one would see humans and vehicles, no matter how they are disguised or where they are hiding, after all their heat signature would show up with infrared. With Night vision, it would be the same as during the day, since it is only amplified light, nothing more. I haven't delved enough into the manual yet to be able to tell you what the KA-50 carries. But if it is night vision only, then it makes sense you don't see hidden units. If it is supposed to be infrared however, one would expect to see units in the woods very clearly. Again, I'm for sure no expert on this matter, but from my experience with several sims and reading up here and there, this is what I would make out of it. But I leave the technical details to the ones who know more about this matter. :P
AlphaOneSix Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 Night vision goggles are light amplification devices, they just amplify visible light.
Guest Gilmere Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 The IR spectrum is also only Line of Sight, which means that although it does penetrate foliage better, it would STILL be blocked partially by dense coverage. IR cameras are better than night vision because some energy does get through, by radiating around and through coverage light a flashlight in the trees that you see flickering around, but can be worse due to the "blooming" effects as a result (like the effect you get in a picture where the flash from the camera is too close), taking away much of the clarity needed for ID purposes. A trained operator must actively use both light amplification and White Hot / Black Hot IR to make a good ID and targeting solution. So that all means that even in trees, IR might not be visible. What DOES penetrate foliage is a Foliage Penetrating (or FOPEN) system or perhaps a Hyperspectral Imaging system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspectral_imaging) which uses a variety of wavelengths to fuse an image together. BS is such an great, technically sound sim, I just couldn't help myself... Gil
Ramstein Posted March 22, 2009 Author Posted March 22, 2009 I just tried it, and there is simply too much light in daylight even if looking into the trees... maybe in a night mission,, but night flying is a really bad idea.. :joystick: ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI (trying to hang on for a bit longer) 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR
GGTharos Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 You won't see through foliage with NVGs. Their purpose is night navigation, and that's it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Frederf Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 NVGs typically see more into the IR spectrum than the human eye, by a tiny bit, just like your common digital camera or digital video recorder.
Legolasindar Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 I rescue my old theme, in relation to this. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=27266&highlight=flir [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Cavallers del Cel - Comunintat Catalana de Simulació http://www.cavallersdelcel.cat
Yoti980 Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) I've been looking into this a little tonight.. I commend ED for making this sim as real as possible with all of the capabilities and limitations of the shark. On the lines of thermal imaging it appears that they have installed a "GOES 342 Day/Night sighting system" http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=2366&catid=251 Also is the A/A R-73 systems planning on being implemented? http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=1673&catid=262 Edited March 23, 2009 by Yoti980 CARRIER AIR WING EIGHT [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BLACKLION 204 F-14D BuNo 163159 Fighter Squadron Two One Three LCDR James "Rat" Trapp http://www.cvw-8.org
GGTharos Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 On a prototype. Not on service Ka-50's. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
asparagin Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 well, i'm using IR light to see better... .. i just need 3 leds and a program called freetrack :megalol: Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
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