Coxy_99 Posted January 15, 2024 Posted January 15, 2024 Typical rumours i wouldnt believe them. There are many many modules that need a face lift into 2024, And nrot just the 21.
exhausted Posted January 16, 2024 Posted January 16, 2024 On 1/14/2024 at 7:54 PM, lmp said: I disagree. MiG-21bis contemporaries include the F-5E, the Mirage F1 or the Phantom and it's competitive against all of them. And what's perhaps more important, we actually have those contemporaries in the game. Which of the F-13 contemporaries do we have in DCS? In practice, a MiG-21F-13 would end up fighting the same Western fighters that the MiG-21bis faces now, but without the superior T/W ratio, missiles worth a damn or even a decent gun. I fail to see the incredible mileage we're missing. The F-13 had a great T/W ratio and a lower wing loading. The bis is a bloated pig, in comparison. As has been said, the F-13 has plenty of company when considering its very long service life and integration into F-7 models. It's the one version of the MiG-21 you literally can't miss with. 1
exhausted Posted January 16, 2024 Posted January 16, 2024 On 1/15/2024 at 10:03 AM, Bremspropeller said: Also Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Though those are different models of the F-7 and I'm not sure how much action they saw. Sri Lanka maybe some counter insurgency stuff. Noirth Korea deployed to Egypt to fly MiG-21s, which I'm thinking included -Fs.
303_Kermit Posted January 16, 2024 Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, exhausted said: The F-13 had a great T/W ratio and a lower wing loading. The bis is a bloated pig, in comparison. As has been said, the F-13 has plenty of company when considering its very long service life and integration into F-7 models. It's the one version of the MiG-21 you literally can't miss with. Actually if we compare T/W ratio of various MiG-21, the best of course is bis, but... If we're interested in flying bit higher than 4000m ( 13 200ft) then the best T/W ratio poses PF /PFM. bis actually saw quite a little combat. Most conflicts of '65-'73 (Vietnam, 6 day war, war of attrition, India -Pakistan) - used F-13, PF,PFM, FL (in huge numbers) and my personal favourite MF. Bis was actually more a plane of '80. His conflict is Afghanistan. When he showed up in Middle east Israel had F-15 already (december 1976 is a start of receiving F-15A/B). It's actually a beginning of the end of "MiG-21 era". Clash against 4th Gen US fighters ended up very badly for a little delta. Sooo... no. bis is not the "Standard contemporary" to F-4E. for that we need MF (mainly), or PFM, SMT, FL... Edited January 16, 2024 by 303_Kermit
exhausted Posted January 16, 2024 Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) 50 minutes ago, 303_Kermit said: Actually if we compare T/W ratio of various MiG-21, the best of course is bis, but... If we're interested in flying bit higher than 4000m ( 13 200ft) then the best T/W ratio poses PF /PFM. bis actually saw quite a little combat. Most conflicts of '65-'73 (Vietnam, 6 day war, war of attrition, India -Pakistan) - used F-13, PF,PFM, FL (in huge numbers) and my personal favourite MF. Bis was actually more a plane of '80. His conflict is Afghanistan. When he showed up in Middle east Israel had F-15 already (december 1976 is a start of receiving F-15A/B). It's actually a beginning of the end of "MiG-21 era". Clash against 4th Gen US fighters ended up very badly for a little delta. Sooo... no. bis is not the "Standard contemporary" to F-4E. for that we need MF (mainly), or PFM, SMT, FL... There's tons of MiG-21F overlap with the F-4E, but actually more so with F-4B, C and D. The bis is sort of a choice without a home, unless you would still want to go ahead and place the bis in the same arena as F-15s and the like. If you want to dogfight in the most likely of times and places, then the MiG-21F is your best choice. Then there's all the J-7 and F-7 variants, many of which but not most are nearly identical to the MiG-21F. The PF and PFM are okay, but have too many compromises for a sole focus in DCS - but if we are being aspirational, then a spread including the -F-13, -PF, and -PFM are what we need to cover the most active times where the MiG performed its intended role. To me, I'm not looking forward to placing the bis on the Afghanistan map, and the Afg map seems like a total fool's errand for the series; bomb huts in an Su-25 or do unending orbits in an A-10. No thanks. PS the MF is an awesome beast, and would have been a better choice than the bis. Edited January 16, 2024 by exhausted
Bremspropeller Posted January 17, 2024 Posted January 17, 2024 Y'all secretly want the M. All of the weight and none of the thrust. Must have been fun in the ME and India. 2 hours ago, exhausted said: To me, I'm not looking forward to placing the bis on the Afghanistan map, and the Afg map seems like a total fool's errand for the series; bomb huts in an Su-25 or do unending orbits in an A-10. No thanks. Don't forget about Rambo showing off his blue light. So ein Feuerball, JUNGE!
Stratos Posted February 18, 2024 Posted February 18, 2024 (edited) A F-13 would be really relevant. Hope to see it one day, also it saw its good amount of combat in the hands of Vietnamese pilots, and we will get Vietnam map one day... Edited February 18, 2024 by Stratos I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
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