requested Gyro 1+ Gyro 2 bug

[martin.kloubek]

Hi guys,  found a probably a new bug. I search in the forum but i didnt find anything about it. 

in the settings, there are three options for Gyro

"VERT GYROS SWITCH - Toggle 1/2 " this should working with the inner switch to choose left or right press button. This work fine

BUT there are  two others 

"VERT GYROS SWITCH 1",  "VERT GYROS SWITCH 2" Both shloud be able to "press" the button itself.

But both working same as the 1st  "VERT GYROS SWITCH - Toggle 1/2 "

Technicaly both "press" switches shloud be able to pressit ON but they dont.

Olso on Keyboard it is possible to see the bug. when pressed " Lalt+  Lctrl+ Lshift+ 1 or 2 it did not press the switch, only change the possition that inner one.

Edited February 3, 2024 by martin.kloubek

[admiki]

35 minutes ago, martin.kloubek said:

Hi guys,  found a probably a new bug. I search in the forum but i didnt find anything about it. 

in the settings, there are three options for Gyro

"VERT GYROS SWITCH - Toggle 1/2 " this should working with the inner switch to choose left or right press button. This work fine

BUT there are  two others 

"VERT GYROS SWITCH 1",  "VERT GYROS SWITCH 2" Both shloud be able to "press" the button itself.

But both working same as the 1st  "VERT GYROS SWITCH - Toggle 1/2 "

Technicaly both "press" switches shloud be able to pressit ON but they dont.

Olso on Keyboard it is possible to see the bug. when pressed " Lalt+  Lctrl+ Lshift+ 1 or 2 it did not press the switch, only change the possition that inner one.

 

Actually no, it works just as it says so.

"VERT GYROS SWITCH - Toggle 1/2

"VERT GYROS SWITCH 1" 

"VERT GYROS SWITCH 2"

Pay attention what the bind really says.

These 3 are talking about same thing, that inner switch. And they work just as they should. Toggle toggles, 1 and 2 binds will move switch to correct position. 

I'm guessing you are talking about VERT GYRO CAGE buttons, but there are no binds for those.

Edited February 3, 2024 by admiki

[zerO_crash]

It's difficult to understand what you are trying to convey, mate. As mentioned before, and as per manual, the way it works is the following:

 

The individual push-buttons 1 & 2 are for caging the respective vertical gyros. Push-button 1 cages vertical gyro #1, push-button 2 cages vertical gyro #2. The switch in the middle, simply choses which vertical gyro is being used as a source for the main horizon instrument. It has nothing to do with "selecting" what the push-buttons work on, if that is what you mean...

[martin.kloubek]

1 hour ago, zerO_crash said:

It's difficult to understand what you are trying to convey, mate. As mentioned before, and as per manual, the way it works is the following:

 

The individual push-buttons 1 & 2 are for caging the respective vertical gyros. Push-button 1 cages vertical gyro #1, push-button 2 cages vertical gyro #2. The switch in the middle, simply choses which vertical gyro is being used as a source for the main horizon instrument. It has nothing to do with "selecting" what the push-buttons work on, if that is what you mean...

I was trying to explain that "push" button dont "pushing".  By mouse?, yes...but when you use keyboard and shorts or when you use physical switch on joystick, whatever, they dont pushing

 

Maybe is not my english good enough. Lets go to cockpit. press by mouse Vert gyro cage1 by mouse, its possible

 

when you do it by keyboard. its not "pressing" the buttons,. its start to switch from left to right. 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2024 by martin.kloubek

[admiki]

Let me make it real simple for you. It's not a bug.

[zerO_crash]

52 minutes ago, martin.kloubek said:

I was trying to explain that "push" button dont "pushing".  By mouse?, yes...but when you use keyboard and shorts or when you use physical switch on joystick, whatever, they dont pushing

 

Maybe is not my english good enough. Lets go to cockpit. press by mouse Vert gyro cage1 by mouse, its possible

 

when you do it by keyboard. its not "pressing" the buttons,. its start to switch from left to right. 

 

 

 

 

In that case, it also works as it should. You are seeing three keybindings, all related to the "switch" in the middile, NOT the "buttons" on the sides.

 

The three keybindings, as mentioned earlier, are as follows:

 

- "VERT GYROS SWITCH - Toggle 1/2

- "VERT GYROS SWITCH 1"

- "VERT GYROS SWITCH 2"

 

All three bindings work on the "switch", NOT the "buttons". The reason there are three, is for convenience for the user. The first keybinding, let's you operate the switch with one button, altering (changing) between position 1 (left), and position 2 (right). The last two functions, allow you to bind individual two buttons that DON'T toggle (alter), they only move the switch to that one respective (specific) position.

 

I am afraid that the confusion is from you not understanding the word "toggle" (alter). Also, since the module is work-in-progress (it is not fully developed yet), there are currently (right now) no keybindings for both "cage" buttons.

 

Again, the confusion comes from language, I am afraid.

[martin.kloubek]

Well its seems to me that you dont understand the function of those two cages. When you start the engines, you have two artifical horizonts, right? they are locked.

To unlock them, you must push both buttons. right? If you push them ,both are unlocked and they start to working properly. Just to switching  the middle switch from left to right dont do nothing.  My point is, that unless you press them by your mouse, there is no way how to press both buttons. In the setings, theres are 3 options, but all 3 do the same , switch just the middle switch.. I dont know how more i can write it more 

[zerO_crash]

It occurs to me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about! It's clear to me, that you don't get what you are doing during the startup, and actual flight of the helicopter!

 

When the gyro's get warmed up, and you cage them, after running for 1-2 minutes +, - that's is only the startup procedure. The switch for changing which gyro to use as primary, in other words which gyro is supposed to be feeding information to the PKP-72M flight director, is used outside of the inital startup. While the ED manual is practically non-existent at the moment (public release), the real world manuals specify this more than enough! Part of the main procedure, post start-up, is to check the SAU-V24-1 automatic flight control system, and that is perfectly described in e.g. the manual of Mi-35P available online (I won't post Russian Mi-24 manuals, as I doubt you speak it.). Check the attachment!

 

Also, with regards to the main issue. You have a problem with semantics. I will repeat again, we DO NOT HAVE any keybindings for the cage BUTTONS. All the three keybindings related to that panel, are two different ways to configure the SWITCH. Again, THERE ARE NO KEYBINDINGS AVAILABLE FOR CAGE BUTTONS. We are going in circles now, trying to convey this the third time. You can only use the mouse for pressing them, and that is known. Many other keybindings are missing, becuase the module is in early release. Rest assured, they will come. 

[martin.kloubek]

Thank you for explaining me real functionality. Yes i am not an helicopter pilot and indeed i have no deep knowledge about this. I am not try to argue.  But was talking about a functionality in computer game. I dont understand, why I AM able physicaly by "mouse" ......click on "push button" ......but i am NOT able to "push same button" on keyboard. And since this part of the forum is named " Bugs and Problems" i was asking for help. This mean either somebody wil tell me, its a bug and verify my opinion about it. Or someone can tell me that for "pushing this " button,  is some other key on keyboard. Thats all. I dont claim that I am experienced or have any knowledge about Mi24. Thank you for your answer and help. And yes i understand that there are no keybindingsfor it . thank you for help

[zerO_crash]

Good, then we have the issue settled. The keybindings are lacking in a good couple of cases, but they will come. Don't worry. One simply has to be patient, as with such advanced modules, the development time is counted in years. Still though, with such a basic feature, I'm sure it'll be updated in not too long

[admiki]

5 hours ago, martin.kloubek said:

Thank you for explaining me real functionality. Yes i am not an helicopter pilot and indeed i have no deep knowledge about this. I am not try to argue.  But was talking about a functionality in computer game. I dont understand, why I AM able physicaly by "mouse" ......click on "push button" ......but i am NOT able to "push same button" on keyboard. And since this part of the forum is named " Bugs and Problems" i was asking for help. This mean either somebody wil tell me, its a bug and verify my opinion about it. Or someone can tell me that for "pushing this " button,  is some other key on keyboard. Thats all. I dont claim that I am experienced or have any knowledge about Mi24. Thank you for your answer and help. And yes i understand that there are no keybindingsfor it . thank you for help

I guess these meant nothing to you?

14 hours ago, admiki said:

Actually no, it works just as it says so.

"VERT GYROS SWITCH - Toggle 1/2

"VERT GYROS SWITCH 1" 

"VERT GYROS SWITCH 2"

Pay attention what the bind really says.

These 3 are talking about same thing, that inner switch. And they work just as they should. Toggle toggles, 1 and 2 binds will move switch to correct position. 

I'm guessing you are talking about VERT GYRO CAGE buttons, but there are no binds for those.

 

11 hours ago, zerO_crash said:

In that case, it also works as it should. You are seeing three keybindings, all related to the "switch" in the middile, NOT the "buttons" on the sides.

 

11 hours ago, zerO_crash said:

there are currently (right now) no keybindings for both "cage" buttons.

 

[martin.kloubek]

i rather not seek any other advices here thank you

[Flappie]

I've just added "Cage Gyro 1" and "Cage Gyro 2" keybinds in an intenral request to devs.

[martin.kloubek]

43 minutes ago, Flappie said:

I've just added "Cage Gyro 1" and "Cage Gyro 2" keybinds in an intenral request to devs.

My real honest deepest gratitude  thank you

[zerO_crash]

There aren't "weird" people on these forums, rather the more and less interested in the topic. Just as any forum, the discussions can often circulate with misundsrstandings coming from language barriers and lack of precision in formulating oneself. Here was an example of the latter. With that said, it got solved in the end.

 

Seeing you being new to the forums, Klingel, I'd be careful on attempting to make a qualitative judgment. Knowledge accrued through years of trial and error, reading up on topics and talking to professionals, is being shared online for free. Patience is required from both sides. Know however, that new members do not set the tone here. While Admiki might have come across as harsh, the act was in the best of interest, pointing out the importance of detail and semantics. This is of essence when operating in the realm of DCS with such advanced modules.

 

Finally, Martin, a word of advice; be careful as mods can mess up other parts of the simulator. There are more than enough threads regarding bugs and glitches caused by mods. Keep that in mind if you decide on installing any.

 

Thanks Flappie, I'm actually surprised that it wasn't reported earlier. Good stuff!
 

With that, let's consider this thread case closed!

Edited February 4, 2024 by zerO_crash

[Tiger-II]

On 2/3/2024 at 11:36 PM, martin.kloubek said:

Well its seems to me that you dont understand the function of those two cages. When you start the engines, you have two artifical horizonts, right? they are locked.

To unlock them, you must push both buttons. right? If you push them ,both are unlocked and they start to working properly. Just to switching  the middle switch from left to right dont do nothing.  My point is, that unless you press them by your mouse, there is no way how to press both buttons. In the setings, theres are 3 options, but all 3 do the same , switch just the middle switch.. I dont know how more i can write it more 

I understand you - you can't push the buttons with the keyboard; only the mouse. The keyboard performs the same action on the switch, 3 times.