Is it just me or is Quest 3 complete crap?

[killerquagmire]

Just venting a little bit here, but I'm curious if others are having the same issues. I purchased quest 3 day one and as an upgrade to the Rift S, I was initially very pleased with the results. Then the Meta updates came and loads of problems with them. My Quest 3 started having connection issues with my PC and I was forced to use the link cable. Then finally, it just stopped connecting to my PC altogether. I went through about 2 or 3 weeks of hell trying various settings, router configurations, uninstalling, reinstalling and then finally after doing a 100% uninstall through safe mode (for a 2nd time btw), I finally got it going again. Worked great until a few weeks ago and then I started noticing a lot more aliasing in DCS world. In all fairness, I'm not sure if it was a result of the last DCS update or Meta. So I've been tweaking various settings and yep- you guessed it, started having connection issues and now it won't connect at all yet again through airlink or link cable. I guess I'm looking at doing a complete safe mode uninstall again.

So at this point, I'm just curious if others are experiencing similar issues or if i just got a lemon here. So freaking frustrating.

[skins45]

Only issue I ever had was air link never sent the audio to the headset.  Luckily I never had to fix it or care much since I discovered Virtual Desktop very shortly after and haven't looked back.  Other nice thing about VD is their supersampling options are very easy. 

With any VR headset, the amount of issues you can run into are in the millions, since there's so much tinkering one normally does that could break something or give shimmering, stuttering, artifacts, blurriness, on and on and on and on.

[OldFlyer]

Yeah, I’ve been getting issues recently too. Sometimes when I try to connect my quest 3 to the PC using air link I get an error message saying the connection has been lost (or similar). I keep trying and it finally works. 

Alternatively, I’ve had no connection issue using Virtual Desktop so that’s now my trouble free go-to.

[Qcumber]

Oculus can be temperamental. There are some issues with the v63 update which is covered extensively under different parts of this forum. Have you tried Virtual Desktop? 

[killerquagmire]

6 hours ago, Qcumber said:

Oculus can be temperamental. There are some issues with the v63 update which is covered extensively under different parts of this forum. Have you tried Virtual Desktop? 

I'm going to give virtual desktop a go this weekend. Just frustrating because I think I have everything dialed in and then an update destroys my peaceful Eden lol And it's rarely a simple fix.

Coming from the Rift S, I held out for a long time before upgrading and honestly, I don't believe VR has made much progress. Yeah the resolution is a little better but at what cost? These things are more finicky than ever. Plus, aside from simulation games like DCS, they have made very little progress in the gaming sector in the last 5 years.

Playstation is shutting down their VR development facilities, Quest Pro fell flat, Apple releases a ridiculously expensive headset that's yet again nothing more than an "experience" and Pimax appears to be falling short of their promises as well. I'm afraid VR is about to slip away into obscurity. And that sucks because I can't fathom playing DCS without it.

Also, AAA Devs are jumping ship left and right. Hopefully there is a strong enough market for VR in simulations to keep it going because it's failing miserably everywhere else in my opinion. 

[freehand]

Any headset with a usb attached to it binit 

[actually_fred]

Yeah; their hardware is good, excellent value, and link/airlink are great - better than VD for me - when they work.

On the other hand, Oculus frequently push out updates that break Link/AirLink features I depend on, or just break it entirely. I still use them when I can, but I also regularly use virtual desktop as a backup when link is broken yet again. 

[Qcumber]

41 minutes ago, killerquagmire said:

I'm going to give virtual desktop a go this weekend. Just frustrating because I think I have everything dialed in and then an update destroys my peaceful Eden lol And it's rarely a simple fix.

Coming from the Rift S, I held out for a long time before upgrading and honestly, I don't believe VR has made much progress. Yeah the resolution is a little better but at what cost? These things are more finicky than ever. Plus, aside from simulation games like DCS, they have made very little progress in the gaming sector in the last 5 years.

Playstation is shutting down their VR development facilities, Quest Pro fell flat, Apple releases a ridiculously expensive headset that's yet again nothing more than an "experience" and Pimax appears to be falling short of their promises as well. I'm afraid VR is about to slip away into obscurity. And that sucks because I can't fathom playing DCS without it.

Also, AAA Devs are jumping ship left and right. Hopefully there is a strong enough market for VR in simulations to keep it going because it's failing miserably everywhere else in my opinion. 

I had a rift s then Pico 4 and now a quest pro. The rift s has its issues but it's plug a play and pretty reliable. I had some real problems this week with oculus and my quest pro which I eventually resolved with reinstalling oculus PC app and a factory reset of the headset. The thing I find I need to do quite a lot with DCS and oculus is delete the fxo and metashader folders regularly. VD is more reliable. 

For VD you need to make sure you use a dedicated router. I got one from Amazon for £40 and it has worked really well. I keep it under my desk and connected with an Ethernet cable. For initial setup use Godlike and 10-HEVC and push the bitrate to 150 Mbps. 

[Keith Briscoe]

Please let me know when VR is plug and play! I think I'll be interested then.

  

[Qcumber]

34 minutes ago, Keith Briscoe said:

Please let me know when VR is plug and play! I think I'll be interested then.

  

Unfortunately I don't PCVR will ever be like that. At least not any of the affordable headsets. 

[skins45]

2 hours ago, Qcumber said:

I had a rift s then Pico 4 and now a quest pro. The rift s has its issues but it's plug a play and pretty reliable. I had some real problems this week with oculus and my quest pro which I eventually resolved with reinstalling oculus PC app and a factory reset of the headset. The thing I find I need to do quite a lot with DCS and oculus is delete the fxo and metashader folders regularly. VD is more reliable. 

For VD you need to make sure you use a dedicated router. I got one from Amazon for £40 and it has worked really well. I keep it under my desk and connected with an Ethernet cable. For initial setup use Godlike and 10-HEVC and push the bitrate to 150 Mbps. 

While this may be true for your experience, I don't believe it's the majority of user experience with VD.  Perhaps my Nighthawk Wifi 5-GHz router is special, but I doubt it.  I'm pushing VD with the godlike setting and 500Mbps in the Oculus debug tool with zero issues.  Honestly, I felt it was easier to run DCS/MSFS/IL2 on the Q3 with VD than it was for my Index (okay, maybe it was because Steam is dog doodoo for maximizing performance).

2 hours ago, Keith Briscoe said:

Please let me know when VR is plug and play! I think I'll be interested then.

  

Much like many other good things in life, you have to put in the effort to experience the benefits.  VR is no different.  

[freehand]

19 minutes ago, skins45 said:

While this may be true for your experience, I don't believe it's the majority of user experience with VD.  Perhaps my Nighthawk Wifi 5-GHz router is special, but I doubt it.  I'm pushing VD with the godlike setting and 500Mbps in the Oculus debug tool with zero issues.  Honestly, I felt it was easier to run DCS/MSFS/IL2 on the Q3 with VD than it was for my Index (okay, maybe it was because Steam is dog doodoo for maximizing performance).

Much like many other good things in life, you have to put in the effort to experience the benefits.  VR is no different.  

I think every one in the VR sub forum is aware of this since 2017.

[skins45]

17 minutes ago, freehand said:

I think every one in the VR sub forum is aware of this since 2017.

Sorry, I should have clarified. I was more speaking to the one sentence in your previous post: "For VD you need to make sure you use a dedicated router."  

I don't have such a thing and it works as expected for me.  I also don't have a crazy network speed, and have plenty of internal wifi traffic (wife/kids).  I saw a few dedicated routers as I was waiting for my Q3 to arrive and debated on getting one just in case, but decided since (as you mentioned) Amazon has plenty that could be at my door same/next day, I ended up playing the "wait and see" if I need it strategy.  Naturally, I didn't need to upgrade anything network related.  Just make sure you're on the 5g network.

[killerquagmire]

3 hours ago, Qcumber said:

I had a rift s then Pico 4 and now a quest pro. The rift s has its issues but it's plug a play and pretty reliable. I had some real problems this week with oculus and my quest pro which I eventually resolved with reinstalling oculus PC app and a factory reset of the headset. The thing I find I need to do quite a lot with DCS and oculus is delete the fxo and metashader folders regularly. VD is more reliable. 

For VD you need to make sure you use a dedicated router. I got one from Amazon for £40 and it has worked really well. I keep it under my desk and connected with an Ethernet cable. For initial setup use Godlike and 10-HEVC and push the bitrate to 150 Mbps. 

Did you lose progress with your Quest 3 games when you did the factory reset? That's the one reason I have avoided doing that. A clean delete and reinstall of oculus software in safe mode did not help me this time unfortunately. Says headset is connected, but then I just get the 3 white circles of death spam. So I'm thinking I may have to do the factory reset as well.

[freehand]

38 minutes ago, skins45 said:

Sorry, I should have clarified. I was more speaking to the one sentence in your previous post: "For VD you need to make sure you use a dedicated router."  

I don't have such a thing and it works as expected for me.  I also don't have a crazy network speed, and have plenty of internal wifi traffic (wife/kids).  I saw a few dedicated routers as I was waiting for my Q3 to arrive and debated on getting one just in case, but decided since (as you mentioned) Amazon has plenty that could be at my door same/next day, I ended up playing the "wait and see" if I need it strategy.  Naturally, I didn't need to upgrade anything network related.  Just make sure you're on the 5g network.

Just me be me a sarcastic old fart some times lol.

Edited March 1, 2024 by freehand

[Steel Jaw]

4 hours ago, Keith Briscoe said:

Please let me know when VR is plug and play! I think I'll be interested then.

  

aint never gonna be when we are dealing with pcs

[Qcumber]

1 hour ago, killerquagmire said:

Did you lose progress with your Quest 3 games when you did the factory reset? That's the one reason I have avoided doing that. A clean delete and reinstall of oculus software in safe mode did not help me this time unfortunately. Says headset is connected, but then I just get the 3 white circles of death spam. So I'm thinking I may have to do the factory reset as well.

It was with my QP. I haven't had it very long and don't really use it for standalone games so not sure how it would affect that. I would have thought this is stored online but would be worth checking. 

Do you get an hour glass when you try to connect to DCS but it is running on the desktop window? 

[Qcumber]

2 hours ago, skins45 said:

I'm pushing VD with the godlike setting and 500Mbps in the Oculus debug tool with zero issues.

If you are using VD I don't think oculus debug tool will have any effect. Are you using AV-1 on VD at 500? 

[killerquagmire]

49 minutes ago, Qcumber said:

It was with my QP. I haven't had it very long and don't really use it for standalone games so not sure how it would affect that. I would have thought this is stored online but would be worth checking. 

Do you get an hour glass when you try to connect to DCS but it is running on the desktop window? 

No, it's not connecting to the desktop oculus app. it just indicates that it is linked to my PC in the Quest link app. But when I launch it, I just get the 3 white dots and then an immediate crash back to the Quest home screen. Launch it again and then it just hangs on the screen with the 3 white dots. It did the exact same thing a few weeks after i purchased it way back in October after the first major Meta update. I finally got it working again a few weeks later by disconnecting from the internet, deleting all oculus files in safe mode and reinstalling the oculus desktop app. That isn't doing the trick this time unfortunately. Steam link works perfectly fine though oddly enough as was the case the first time around.

Really annoying that Meta can't seem to implement their own features with any type of consistency while 3rd party apps like Steam link and VD have no issues. I hate the idea of having to pay for a 3rd party app just to use the advertised built in features of a 500.00 headset. 

[Qcumber]

20 minutes ago, killerquagmire said:

No, it's not connecting to the desktop oculus app. it just indicates that it is linked to my PC in the Quest link app. But when I launch it, I just get the 3 white dots and then an immediate crash back to the Quest home screen. Launch it again and then it just hangs on the screen with the 3 white dots. It did the exact same thing a few weeks after i purchased it way back in October after the first major Meta update. I finally got it working again a few weeks later by disconnecting from the internet, deleting all oculus files in safe mode and reinstalling the oculus desktop app. That isn't doing the trick this time unfortunately. Steam link works perfectly fine though oddly enough as was the case the first time around.

Really annoying that Meta can't seem to implement their own features with any type of consistency while 3rd party apps like Steam link and VD have no issues. I hate the idea of having to pay for a 3rd party app just to use the advertised built in features of a 500.00 headset. 

Meta are only really interested in promoting standalone headsets. The PCVR oculus home hasn't changed since I got my rift s 4 years ago. It is sad but 3rd party is what keeps PCVR going. That said, oculus cable (when it works) has an edge over VD (my own opinion based on my experiences). 

[killerquagmire]

3 minutes ago, Qcumber said:

Meta are only really interested in promoting standalone headsets. The PCVR oculus home hasn't changed since I got my rift s 4 years ago. It is sad but 3rd party is what keeps PCVR going. That said, oculus cable (when it works) has an edge over VD (my own opinion based on my experiences). 

I agree, but they just aren't there graphically when it comes to standalone games in my opinion. Asgards Wrath 2 is their current flagship and although it is pretty fun, it looks like a PlayStation 2 game at best. It's really sad that they have moved away from PC development because if you go back and look at some of those games like Robo Recall or Lone Echo, they make Quest 3 games look like poop. lol

I did have success using the link cable for DCS yesterday. But one the main reasons I purchased the Quest 3 was to utilize the PC over WIFI feature because I play quite a few other PC VR games. I'm going to give in and throw down the cash for virtual desktop because I'm just tired of dealing with Meta's inconsistencies. Just sucks because the whole reason I waited for the Quest 3 to upgrade is because I felt like Meta would surely have worked out the kinks by now but it still feels very much like a dev kit. 

[unclesneep]

I've been having escalating issues with dcs and my quest 3.  Started off great with 90fps solid.  Running i9 14900kf, 64gb ram and a 3080.

 

Then I started to get random fps drops.  Exiting the game wouldn't help and the fps drops continued when in vr on the desktop.  I would have to close the link connection and reconnect for it to clear up.. only to come back randomly again in game.  This is using the official link cable.  3rd party cables were far worse.. if they worked at all.  Moved to virtual desktop, and it's a bit better but not 100%.  Can't seem to maintain the elusive 90fps like I was able to with the cable.  It's still playable, but still having random frame drops and the graphics look grainy compared to directly linking.   I'm planning on upgrading to a different vr headset.  Hopefully that will help.

[killerquagmire]

22 minutes ago, unclesneep said:

I've been having escalating issues with dcs and my quest 3.  Started off great with 90fps solid.  Running i9 14900kf, 64gb ram and a 3080.

 

Then I started to get random fps drops.  Exiting the game wouldn't help and the fps drops continued when in vr on the desktop.  I would have to close the link connection and reconnect for it to clear up.. only to come back randomly again in game.  This is using the official link cable.  3rd party cables were far worse.. if they worked at all.  Moved to virtual desktop, and it's a bit better but not 100%.  Can't seem to maintain the elusive 90fps like I was able to with the cable.  It's still playable, but still having random frame drops and the graphics look grainy compared to directly linking.   I'm planning on upgrading to a different vr headset.  Hopefully that will help.

Same here. I noticed a big dip in fps and graphic quality a few weeks ago. But both Meta and DCS released a patch pretty close together so I'm not sure which is to blame. Perhaps both to some degree. Although I have read on the forums that many actually saw a boost in VR fps after the latest DCS patch. Guess we were the unlucky ones lol. 

[freehand]

When I owned the quest pro & the pico 4 the honeymoon period soon ended & went back to an older headset.

[Sezai]

I also had a disappointing experiencing with Quest3. I used to have Reverb G2, I was content with it, no issues but I wanted to upgrade. The first month was amazing, I was baffled with overall clarity and on games like Half Life the results were excellent. However after the first month I started to getting annoying choppy visuals and audio issue no matter what settings I had. I tried the VD, it was much worse. I purchased a new 6e router, thing the issue was the bitrate, did not help...Even tough I set min graph settings I could not get rid off the stutters and choppy visuals. I had no problem with Reverb G2. Then I saw numerous posts on Reddit and other platforms where people also telling their frustrating stories. 2 weeks ago I gave up and sold the headset. Some people have decent experiencing and some don't. I had almost spent hours for troubleshooting. one day, there is a debris on usb slot, another day Q3 cannot find 6ghz network etc etc...I am now looking for a new headset. High likely I will go for Pimax but kinda costy.