S-300 5v55 missile fins folding is wrong, 48N6 missile?

[Skyhammer]

I noticed a bug on the SA-10 Launcher, the missile fins are folding wrong. At ejection phase out of the tube they are full extended and right before the burning phase the fins folding but it should be the other way around. Missile with Folded fins out of tube --> extend fins and burning phase.                                 

Also why the S-300PS can´t use the 48N6 missile? Even the DCS encyclopedia mentioned it was/is used by this System.

5V55 find folding wrong when ejected out of the launch tube.trk

Edited July 17, 2024 by Skyhammer

[Tholozor]

The folded fins problem is already reported:

Regarding the missile, the 5V55 is correct for the S-300PS (SA-10B). AFAIK the 48N6 would be used by the S-300PM-1 or PMU-1 (SA-20).

[Skyhammer]

vor 34 Minuten schrieb Tholozor:

The folded fins problem is already reported:

Regarding the missile, the 5V55 is correct for the S-300PS (SA-10B). AFAIK the 48N6 would be used by the S-300PM-1 or PMU-1 (SA-20).

thanks for your reply but why  DCS encyclopedia say that the PS-system can also use 48N6E missiles!?..the 5v55 seems is only the Standard missile for the PS 

[Northstar98]

8 hours ago, Skyhammer said:

thanks for your reply but why  DCS encyclopedia say that the PS-system can also use 48N6E missiles!?..the 5v55 seems is only the Standard missile for the PS 

The encylopedia is incorrect (it's also not the only thing it gets wrong).

The S-300PS only uses the 5V55R missile, the 48N6E is used in the S-300PMU-1 [SA-20A Gargoyle] which is essentially an export version of the domestic S-300PM-1 system, with the same NATO reporting name [SA-20A Gargoyle].

The S-300PM-1 system, like the S-300PS is also known to NATO as the SA-10B Grumble and uses the same radars, but fires the 48N6 missile. Early versions of the S-300FM Fort-M [SA-N-20A Gargoyle] also use the 48N6 missile.

Right now, there isn't a system in the game that uses the 48N6E2 missile, which IRL is used by the export-only S-300PMU-2 Favorit [SA-20B Gargoyle] and Rif-M [SA-N-20B Gargoyle] systems (which is only found on the 2 Type 051C Destroyers [Luzhou] used by the PLAN). The 48N6E2 missile is the export designation of the 48N6D missile, but I'm not sure what domestic systems actually use the 48N6D (I have a hunch that its the S-300PM-1 and in which case the system would likely be designated SA-20B Gargoyle as with the S-300PMU-2, but this is speculation and should be taken with a barge full of salt, the S-400 Trimuf [SA-21A Growler] uses the 48N6DM missile with extended range), the closest thing I can think of is the 48N6M missile used in upgraded S-300FM Fort-M [SA-N-20B Gargoyle] systems, it does get a bit messy though as online sources seem to mix and match these designations interchangeably, but 48N6E2 is definitely an export designation (that's what the E stands for AFAIK). The 48N6E2 is also used in the export version of the Fort-M, the Rif-M, so that makes sense.

The systems we have in DCS and the missiles they should use are as follows:

• S-300PS [SA-10B Grumble] - 5V55R
• S-300F Fort [SA-N-6 Grumble] - 5V55RM (basically just a navalised 5V55R)
• S-300FM Fort-M [SA-N-20A/B Gargoyle] - 48N6 (SA-N-20A) / 48N6M (SA-N-20B), AFAIK the 48N6M is a navalised version of the 48N6D missile, but here it's quite messy as sources contradict one another and sometimes use export designations for native systems or use a land-based designation to describe a naval. The export system, the Rif-M, uses the 48N6E [SA-N-20A] and 48N6E2 [SA-N-20B] missiles.

Edited August 5, 2024 by Northstar98

[Hotel Tango]

On a side note, should modern long range SAM's operate in TWS on most of the flight time?

[Northstar98]

As I understand it, both the S-300PS and the Patriot PAC-2 we have should operate with a command-guided midcourse phase and a terminal TVM phase (which is more-or-less a combination of SARH and command guidance). See this thread for sources.

That midcourse phase is, in principal, identical to a Fox 3 fired in TWS.

[Hotel Tango]

On 8/9/2024 at 12:44 PM, Northstar98 said:

As I understand it, both the S-300PS and the Patriot PAC-2 we have should operate with a command-guided midcourse phase and a terminal TVM phase (which is more-or-less a combination of SARH and command guidance). See this thread for sources.

That midcourse phase is, in principal, identical to a Fox 3 fired in TWS.

I'd love to have this implemented into DCS!