VD question

[markturner1960]

Like others, the latest meta update caused me issues, I had to disable QVFR again, which I did have working via sandbox code's .dll fix ( thanks mate!) 

Reading other threads, I wonder if it is time to try virtual desktop? I run a quest Pro, can I still use my link cable with VD? 

What are the pros / cons of using it over the meta software? 

I looked on the VD website, but the cable version download was specific about the supported headsets and the Quest pro was not listed, only on the wireless version......

 

Thanks

[Qcumber]

1 hour ago, markturner1960 said:

Like others, the latest meta update caused me issues, I had to disable QVFR again, which I did have working via sandbox code's .dll fix ( thanks mate!) 

Reading other threads, I wonder if it is time to try virtual desktop? I run a quest Pro, can I still use my link cable with VD? 

What are the pros / cons of using it over the meta software? 

I looked on the VD website, but the cable version download was specific about the supported headsets and the Quest pro was not listed, only on the wireless version......

 

Thanks

VD does not allow cable link due to meta not making this option available to third parties. You need a dedicated wifi 6 router connected to your pc via ethernet. I got mine for about £40 from Amazon. Meta cable allows you to go to 960 Mbps whereas the maximum on VD is 400mbos. However, VD allows you to use better video codecs so the differences are not that big. A lot of people run VD out of the box and think meta is better. This is often because they are not comparing like-for-like. You need to make sure the other verall resolution is the same and that you have the same sharpness settings etc. Meta have a default sharpening setting which is very harsh. I am currently using Godlike with QVFR set at centre 1.3, edges 0.5. h264+ at 200 Mbps. With these settings I can get a steady 72 FPS in most situations with good quality and performance. 

[speed-of-heat]

Honestly my mind is in the gutter half the time ... but perhaps this is something not to abbreviate... 

[Phantom711]

There is some „classic version“ of VD, that works via cable, I heard, but that‘s not the VD we are usually referring to nowadays. So no, it doesn‘t run via cable.

EDIT: Qcumbers answer regarding the above is probably more correct.

pros:

- QVFR box is less noticable and I would even say a bit quicker

- you could use your QP untethered

- you are less affected by Meta updates

- more codecs to choose from

 

cons:

- additional costs for the app and possibly router

- you need a WiFi6 router (I use a WiFi6 extender, which works as well)

- VDs motion reprojection (SSW) is not as  good as ASW

 

Edited August 2, 2024 by Phantom711

[Tomcat388th]

 I also use VD with my pro using an ASUS rt-ac68u router been very happy with the performance

J

[Qcumber]

1 hour ago, Phantom711 said:

QVFR box is less noticable and I would even say a bit quicker

I would agree with this. There are plans to integrate QVFR with not VD, although mbucchia reports there are a few barriers to overcome first. Hopefully this will happen as it will mean better optimisation and support for QVFR. 

 

1 hour ago, Phantom711 said:

you are less affected by Meta updates

This is the biggest reason to choose VD over meta. 

1 hour ago, speed-of-heat said:

Honestly my mind is in the gutter half the time

Shall we ask ggodin to rename it to STD? 

[speed-of-heat]

11 minutes ago, Qcumber said:

I would agree with this. There are plans to integrate QVFR with not VD, although mbucchia reports there are a few barriers to overcome first. Hopefully this will happen as it will mean better optimisation and support for QVFR. 

 

This is the biggest reason to choose VD over meta. 

Shall we ask ggodin to rename it to STD? 

careful that sort of comment is infectious 

[markturner1960]

Thanks guys, very useful......so the router would purely be to connect the headset to my PC....? Does it (router) need to be connected by cable to my PC? As not sure what wireless capability my PC has...

Edited August 2, 2024 by markturner1960

[av8orDave]

6 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

Thanks guys, very useful......so the router would purely be to connect the headset to my PC....? Does it (router) need to be connected by cable to my PC? As not sure what wireless capability my PC has...

 

Yes. Here's the layout:

Modem (or router) LAN to dedicated router WAN (ethernet). Router LAN to computer ethernet port. Headset wirelessly connects to network from dedicated router.

[Flyingfish]

This is from the VD discord

And this 

[Tomcat388th]

Here is my Crayola crayon drawing of my setup. The yellow line from Starlink to router is ethernet cable and then both of my computers are connected via cat6 cable.  All our phones ,TV's and laptop use the 2.4ghwifi and the 5gh wifi is just for my quest Pro.  I'm roughly 25 foot from my router.  I dont know if it make a difference or not but i set up the QOS to give priorty to my gaming comp and Pro when there online

[markturner1960]

Thanks all

[Maddaawg]

If you're going to buy a new WiFi router, make it 6e. I am using the topography that @Flyingfish posted in the first picture. I have shut everything down in that router except for the 6e, put it on channel 48 and width on 160Mhz. Only my PC and Quest 3 connect to it. It sits above and in front of me about 3ft away and I have zero connection issues. I use a TP-Link AXE5400 Tri-Band WiFi 6E Router (Archer AXE75) which is a bit pricy but not over the top.

[Qcumber]

This is the router I use:

Deal: Mercusys AX1800 Dual-Band Wi-Fi 6 Router, WiFi Speed up to 1201Mbps/5GHz+574Mbps/2.4GHz, 3 Gigabit LAN Ports, Ideal for Gaming Xbox/PS4/Steam & 4K (MR70X), Black https://amzn.eu/d/3ViDo7U

[subroutine]

What bitrate are you able to set on that router with H.264+ using VD ?. My ISP router only reaches about 270Mbps on H.264+ with VD but most of the recommended routers are quite expensive.

[Steel Jaw]

On 8/2/2024 at 4:34 AM, Tomcat388th said:

 I also use VD with my pro using an ASUS rt-ac68u router been very happy with the performance

J

OMG that's expensive. 

[Steel Jaw]

Would this work if my pc is already connected to my existing router?

 

https://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-WiFi-AX5400-Archer-TXE75E/dp/B0BNR68Z56/ref=sr_1_10?crid=3289L06X2TGFP&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.gX9eam0T-U-udFdgiZmqr8kHBgdCuidlcLfNXTjFBe06-jLBvu8PtYRcMAhXm8rFA9qqT_cKlTD0vxjslFZ2hZLZVfa4-NX6TzR2uwgns0HOobW4mZtEoBKnW2zkGRf1NrRf37Yo9xuS_D6hrrl2q38X1AsYWMxdnKisxAwulifEf7lUTfPWKJKUSDSZShOkaMZ6Wu4Q30yqOS0pgkPmEY9KP4TXrCsYK8yte6hUaZWTpJxHO9jrvcYClrP2ka1avIGiDuvxSASjlPqfOvGuBHB1iC24g0x9rpKBiEjvxCA.k7ikJy81JIpACIx4gFUoTXQQyOMBTMeWkUgyV2hYF-0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Wifi%2B6e&qid=1722690855&sprefix=wifi%2B6e%2Caps%2C133&sr=8-10&th=1

[Qcumber]

33 minutes ago, subroutine said:

What bitrate are you able to set on that router with H.264+ using VD ?. My ISP router only reaches about 270Mbps on H.264+ with VD but most of the recommended routers are quite expensive.

The maximum I can get is about 300-350 Mbps. I set h264+ to 200 as this gives me a decide latency of about 10 and the quality still looks good. You could also try HEVC 10 bit at 150. I don't think this is your router as such. It's more likely it is the channel you are using and local "noise". Have you tried using a WiFi scanner app to check if there is any interference on the channel you are using? You can use a tin foil box (Faraday cage) to screen out some interference. 

[Tomcat388th]

It was an open box return on amazon I think I paid 60 buck or something like that

1 hour ago, Steel Jaw said:

OMG that's expensive. 

 

[Maddaawg]

3 hours ago, Steel Jaw said:

Would this work if my pc is already connected to my existing router?

 

https://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-WiFi-AX5400-Archer-TXE75E/dp/B0BNR68Z56/ref=sr_1_10?crid=3289L06X2TGFP&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.gX9eam0T-U-udFdgiZmqr8kHBgdCuidlcLfNXTjFBe06-jLBvu8PtYRcMAhXm8rFA9qqT_cKlTD0vxjslFZ2hZLZVfa4-NX6TzR2uwgns0HOobW4mZtEoBKnW2zkGRf1NrRf37Yo9xuS_D6hrrl2q38X1AsYWMxdnKisxAwulifEf7lUTfPWKJKUSDSZShOkaMZ6Wu4Q30yqOS0pgkPmEY9KP4TXrCsYK8yte6hUaZWTpJxHO9jrvcYClrP2ka1avIGiDuvxSASjlPqfOvGuBHB1iC24g0x9rpKBiEjvxCA.k7ikJy81JIpACIx4gFUoTXQQyOMBTMeWkUgyV2hYF-0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Wifi%2B6e&qid=1722690855&sprefix=wifi%2B6e%2Caps%2C133&sr=8-10&th=1

That's an antenna and WiFi add on card.

Ideally, you'll connect your existing router to a new router then your PC via ethernet cable to the new router. The only WiFi connection is from your HMD to the new router. The performance of connecting your PC with WiFi would be horrible, I did try that ao I know.

[subroutine]

4 hours ago, Qcumber said:

The maximum I can get is about 300-350 Mbps. I set h264+ to 200 as this gives me a decide latency of about 10 and the quality still looks good. You could also try HEVC 10 bit at 150. I don't think this is your router as such. It's more likely it is the channel you are using and local "noise". Have you tried using a WiFi scanner app to check if there is any interference on the channel you are using? You can use a tin foil box (Faraday cage) to screen out some interference. 

I use InSSIDer to test  but there's only two properties that would be in range and they are very weak signals. I've picked the best channel but I think it's just the limitation of the BT Smart Hub2. I've been using the link cable unless one of Meta's update breaks it because that runs at 600Mbps no problem and ASW is far superior to SSW.

[Qcumber]

1 hour ago, subroutine said:

Meta's update breaks it because that runs at 600Mbps no problem and ASW is far superior to SSW.

I used to think ASW was better too, but running SSW in auto recently has been pretty good. Try VD again but make sure you are comparing like for like. The difference between VD and meta is very subtle. 

[slughead]

On 8/2/2024 at 9:26 AM, Qcumber said:

VD does not allow cable link due to meta not making this option available to third parties. You need a dedicated wifi 6 router connected to your pc via ethernet. I got mine for about £40 from Amazon. Meta cable allows you to go to 960 Mbps whereas the maximum on VD is 400mbos. However, VD allows you to use better video codecs so the differences are not that big. A lot of people run VD out of the box and think meta is better. This is often because they are not comparing like-for-like. You need to make sure the other verall resolution is the same and that you have the same sharpness settings etc. Meta have a default sharpening setting which is very harsh. I am currently using Godlike with QVFR set at centre 1.3, edges 0.5. h264+ at 200 Mbps. With these settings I can get a steady 72 FPS in most situations with good quality and performance. 

mbuccia released a cable version of VDxR. However, it is limited. Eye and hand tracking are not available via it. He has no intention of adding it either, and I don't really blame him. His focus is rightly on the WiFi version, and I can imagine it would take all his time to support both.

[Qcumber]

1 minute ago, slughead said:

mbuccia released a cable version of VDxR. However, it is limited. Eye and hand tracking are not available via it. He has no intention of adding it either, and I don't really blame him. His focus is rightly on the WiFi version, and I can imagine it would take all his time to support both.

This is related to VD so ggodin is the reference rather than mbucchia. I believe the limitation of VD to WiFi vs link cable is a meta issue. 

[subroutine]

17 hours ago, Qcumber said:

I used to think ASW was better too, but running SSW in auto recently has been pretty good. Try VD again but make sure you are comparing like for like. The difference between VD and meta is very subtle. 

I only fly the Apache and there's bad  distortion where the  rotor overlaps the HIADSS with SSW plus micro stutter on the distant scenery when making a hover turn. ASW locked at 40/80 runs very well with virtually no visual indication it is active.