incorrect alignment HUD completly off - Mission: King of the Hill

[PlaceboC6]

Today I flew a mission, mentioned in the subject, and noticed the entire time I was flying my HUD was completely off.  I have a track IR and reset the center multiple times which you can probably see in the track file.   It made the mission almost unplayable.  I realize these missions are third party perhaps, but I don't understand why the core simulator would be impacted by that.

I will attach the track file.  Unfortunately, you have to wait until after I start up and take off to see what I'm talking about.  I did an auto start to spare you as much time as possible but.....

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f16 hud way off.trk

[razo+r]

I think in this case a screenshot would have been quicker.

Are you perhaps talking about the effect of wind on the HUD? 

[Furiz]

Hey @PlaceboC6 I saw your track, didn't notice you re enter the coordinates in first 2 min of the alignment which is necessary when doing Normal alignment which is being done when auto starting the jet cause the auto sequence wont do that on its own.

So it needs to be done to get a proper alignment, after that the HUD will function just fine.

Page 172 and 173 of DCS F-16C Early Access Guide describes that process.

[PlaceboC6]

Thank you for the responses.  It's not wind related.  If I had made a longer track file I have been flying at 400 knots straight ahead and the HUD slides completely out of view on its own.  I've been flying the F-16 for a couple of years now and I have also flown this mission to completion multiple times without this weird HUD issue.  It doesn't seem to do it in Instant Action oddly enough.

To the second response.  I did an AutoStart, which is what I have always done when flying this mission. Waited for the ILS alignment to finish and I took off.  If you watch the top right of the screen during start up you will see it state that the alignment is complete and I let it go all the way down to 50 before I took off.    This is how I do all my campaign missions and I have never had my hud fly off to the side for the entire length of the mission.  Seemed to get worse the longer I flew.  

If you own this mission, do an auto start, let it complete and see if it does it to you as well because like I said, it didn't do it to me in Instant Action.

Edited August 7, 2024 by PlaceboC6

[razo+r]

You did the alignement only to 50? You want it to go down to 10...

Does the same happen if you do a manual start with a full and correct INS alignement?

[PlaceboC6]

I'll post a vid to my youtube channel which will be more useful.  Spare you the long startup etc.  I understand what you are saying but I am telling you that I have used the AutoStart on every last F-16 mission you can buy and waited for it to state that Alignment is Complete.   Never had a single issue before last night.  It's been a bit since I've flown any missions.  So there have been some updates since then.  Will post when I have it published.

 

[PlaceboC6]

Ok watch this.  I take off.  All seems normal as I rocket toward the ocean.  Then:

2:00 Drifts to the right side over 500 knots
2:26 while doing over 450 knots the ladder swings way to the left
3:17 I lean right in my chair to try to center the ladder
3:29 it suddenly moves dead center without any input

So not only is it off.  It's moving side to side at high speed.  Recommend full screen on youtube as I recorded this on a 38" Ultrawide.
I'll say again.  For the entire 2 years I've been flying this Sim I have relied on the auto alignment and never had the ladder just wandering the hud like this.
 

 

[razo+r]

30 minutes ago, PlaceboC6 said:

Ok watch this.  I take off.  All seems normal as I rocket toward the ocean.  Then:

2:00 Drifts to the right side over 500 knots
2:26 while doing over 450 knots the ladder swings way to the left
3:17 I lean right in my chair to try to center the ladder
3:29 it suddenly moves dead center without any input

So not only is it off.  It's moving side to side at high speed.  Recommend full screen on youtube as I recorded this on a 38" Ultrawide.
I'll say again.  For the entire 2 years I've been flying this Sim I have relied on the auto alignment and never had the ladder just wandering the hud like this.
 

 

And this was with autostart? If yes, try a full manual INS alignement and see if it is the same. 

[Furiz]

Hey @PlaceboC6, I have to correct myself, I don't do auto start but when I tried it I noticed it now confirms coordinates, anyways please read he manual first when you have issues cause it can help a lot.

You didn't do the alignment properly, you have to wait till ALIGN on the HUD starts flashing and RDY on the DED flashes as well. Then you have proper alignment, all described in the manual.

I did the same mission with auto start and waited till it was flashing, all is good. Cant believe in 2 years flying this sim you still have issues with alignment.

Here is my track:

F16 do proper alignment.trk

 

[PlaceboC6]

Just now, Furiz said:

Hey @PlaceboC6, I have to correct myself, I don't do auto start but when I tried it I noticed it now confirms coordinates, anyways please read he manual first when you have issues cause it can help a lot.

You didn't do the alignment properly, you have to wait till ALIGN on the HUD starts flashing and RDY on the DED flashes as well. Then you have proper alignment, all described in the manual.

I did the same mission with auto start and waited till it was flashing, all is good. Cant believe in 2 years flying this sim you still have issues with alignment.

Here is my track:

F16 do proper alignment.trk 7.28 MB · 0 downloads

 

Maybe something was patched that made it more critical. 

The reason I didn't read the manual is because of all of the experience I have with it working just fine prior to posting this thread.  I went through and watched training on doing the full process but Auto always just worked.   So when I ran into this based on having never had an issue before and I have some serious hours flying single player campaign/stand alone missions I ASSumed something must have been broken.

I'll do like you and let it run all the way down and see if it corrects the behavior.  But yes I take this sim very seriously and until last night I have always been able to take off as soon as the ILS screen got to 50 and said RDY Next to the 50.   I love realism as much as most of us here but it always saved a lot of time when I would repeat missions to be able to just Autostart.  So for this reason in all this time I have never had a reason to do it the full normal way or do Auto and just let it run all the way down.

I've always just used the AutoStart with zero issues in the F-18 as well.  Haven't checked to see if I have any issues on that side.  I'm much more familiar with the F-16 as that's the plane I started with.

[PlaceboC6]

So I let it run down and it took care of the issue.  I can only guess that I may have been exploiting something that got fixed since the last time I flew a mission.   Watching your track I also discovered time compression which will definitely help take the edge off of waiting for that counter to get below 10 now that I can crank it to 3/4/5x.

Thanks for taking time to repro it yourself.  

[Furiz]

3 minutes ago, PlaceboC6 said:

So I let it run down and it took care of the issue.  I can only guess that I may have been exploiting something that got fixed since the last time I flew a mission.   Watching your track I also discovered time compression which will definitely help take the edge off of waiting for that counter to get below 10 now that I can crank it to 3/4/5x.

Thanks for taking time to repro it yourself.  

No problem, this way I learn too

You can do STOR alignment to save time, its done pretty fast and you don't have to re enter any coordinates. But I guess if you do Auto Startup then don't touch anything except wait:)

Edited August 7, 2024 by Furiz