F10 Map Causing VR to Freeze

[Maddaawg]

This has been happening for a while now and is making DCS unplayable and I see that others are complaining of this issue and there was a closed thread from last year on the same subject. I'm using a Quest 3 in VD but I have had it happen using Meta Link wireless and wired. It always happens when using the F10 map, if I don't use it everything works fine. Doing the same mission that I created, if I preload waypoints using scratchpad in 2D, I can use that for the mission. This does not occur in 2D and doesn't always happen in VR, but the more often I use F10 the more likely it is to happen. The last two attempts it has happened almost immediately. The only mods I have running are VR Loading Screen Fix and a saved game mod 476RangeTargets. The issue predates these mods and the saved games one is not in use during this mission. I installed the VR Loading Screen Fix in hopes to fix this issue, and it didn't.

The issue begins either in F10 or just after using it with irregular frames/distortions/flickering that increases until the headset freezes. Most of the time the game continues in 2D, but sometimes it also crashes. Most of the time the headset must be rebooted to have it functioning again, but sometimes just quitting the game fixes it. Attached are the DCS.Log and the Track file in case that can help, along with screen shots of my settings.

My settings in VD are Godlike, but I have tried lower resolutions, and using HVEC and VDXR.

I have also done full repair of DCS. My specs are in my signature.

I run Process Lasso and QuickCPU, and two OpenXR apps: HTCC(Hand Tracked Cockpit Clicking), and XRNS(NeckSafer). And also Scratchpad.

 

Edit: I was able to run this same mission for 2.5 hours without touching F10, landing and rearm/fuel and use my previously entered wpt's to target additional units. This went off without any issues until I quit and hit fly again, and it locked up on the mission start screen.

dcs.log frozenhmd.trk

DxDiag.txt

Edited September 2 by Maddaawg
Added files per forum instructions

[The_Nephilim]

The Only thing I can think of is that the standby memory is full  and when you goto press F10 it just tanks the memory. I know you said you were only using half the memory but the standby memory could be full causing a crash..

 

there is this in the logs repeated many times:

 

2024-09-01 22:39:54.327 WARNING BACKENDCOMMON (16240): Need to reprocess [DDS] image '/textures/USS Samuel Chase _N_3.dds'. Reason: Conversion requires - expanded pixel size, setting alpha to known value. Source is an 8:8:8 (24bpp) format

 

maybe an issue with your drivers?

 

 

EDIT: I just tried to run your trk file and it says I need the mods WWII Weapons pack and Technics?? Do you use mods running that mission, it could be those maybe check and see if there is an updated mods pack for those 2..

 

 

Edited September 4 by The_Nephilim

[Maddaawg]

2 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

EDIT: I just tried to run your trk file and it says I need the mods WWII Weapons pack and Technics?? Do you use mods running that mission, it could be those maybe check and see if there is an updated mods pack for those 2..

That's interesting, no I don't have any mods on it. The only 2 mods I have are a saved game mod from 476th group and I didn't use that in the mission. I also have a mod for the VR start screen, but that should not affect missions and I created the mission before trying the mod.

I do have the WWII pack from DCS, maybe one of the ships is WW2. I'll check that and run again to get another track free of the WW2 pack.

2 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

2024-09-01 22:39:54.327 WARNING BACKENDCOMMON (16240): Need to reprocess [DDS] image '/textures/USS Samuel Chase _N_3.dds'. Reason: Conversion requires - expanded pixel size, setting alpha to known value. Source is an 8:8:8 (24bpp) format

Maybe the Samuel Chase is a WW2 ship. I'll change it out and see if error goes away.

I used the same Supercarrier group in the Persian Gulf map with no F10 issues. I'm going to stress it tonight with more assets and see if that causes any issues.

Than you for your help.

[The_Nephilim]

2 hours ago, Maddaawg said:

That's interesting, no I don't have any mods on it. The only 2 mods I have are a saved game mod from 476th group and I didn't use that in the mission. I also have a mod for the VR start screen, but that should not affect missions and I created the mission before trying the mod.

I do have the WWII pack from DCS, maybe one of the ships is WW2. I'll check that and run again to get another track free of the WW2 pack.

Maybe the Samuel Chase is a WW2 ship. I'll change it out and see if error goes away.

I used the same Supercarrier group in the Persian Gulf map with no F10 issues. I'm going to stress it tonight with more assets and see if that causes any issues.

Than you for your help.

OK but when I went to run the trk file it said I needed those 2 packs. as for the warning backend there were multiples of those that was just one I highlited not just pointing that one particular ship out.. it could be a conflict with an older pack or similar?

 

 

Edited September 4 by The_Nephilim

[Maddaawg]

8 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

OK but when I went to run the trk file it said I needed those 2 packs. as for the warning backend there were multiples of those that was just one I highlited not just pointing that one particular ship out.. it could be a conflict with an older pack or similar?

 

 

 

I recreated the mission without the WWII ship, and I disabled the WWII mod pack from DCS and now I see this in the log file" "INFO    Scripting (Main): plugin: SKIPPED 'WWII Armour and Technics': disabled by user"

I see a lot of backend errors such as "ERROR   DX11BACKEND (16748): Default texture 'glove_L_old/nomex_glove_nm.dds' of array '' failed to load so texture array isn't loaded."

I have no idea what those are about, I thought they were situation normal for DCS. There are so many errors, including in stock lua files about Gazelles and B1B's which are static DCS stuff.

I attached the log file from this run, it lasted until just after using F10 but this time no track as DCS crashed.

I'm thinking I may delete my DCS install and redownload it but keep the mod packs as that is way too much data. I don't really have much trust in the repair process, I have tried it twice and seeing all the errors in the log file, why would I trust that process. I could also dig out my G2 and see if that HMD crashes. That would eliminate VD and Meta stuff as an issue.

I'll probably regret reinstalling. If all else fails, I will nuke the system, including the DCS mods and start with a fresh Windows 10 install, vs Win 11 now. I've been looking at a new PC build and that is some major bucks, I'm not doing that with the current state of DCS or my DCS install.

dcs.log

[The_Nephilim]

Well that could be a good idea to reinstall and if they are SSD or M.2 drives use secure erase or nvme erase, some BIOS's have them in BIOS so go in there and if you decide to reinstall that is the best way to wipe the drive clean to make sure nothing nefarius is lurking about..

 

Those errors with nomex glove I see in everybodys log files I think it is an error with DCS code or similar and I dont think we can fix those.. they popped up recently too if I remeber correctly..

 

I hope a total wipe will help you out.. I mean if you already did the repairs. I would try and run the game one more time with all mods wiped out and clean and repair the game.. I also saw your Pagefile is pretty small 4096.. Maybe try and increase that proveded you have the free space on your drive you are going to put it on too like 65536.. put the same number in start and end..

[Maddaawg]

4 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

Well that could be a good idea to reinstall and if they are SSD or M.2 drives use secure erase or nvme erase, some BIOS's have them in BIOS so go in there and if you decide to reinstall that is the best way to wipe the drive clean to make sure nothing nefarius is lurking about..

 

Those errors with nomex glove I see in everybodys log files I think it is an error with DCS code or similar and I dont think we can fix those.. they popped up recently too if I remeber correctly..

 

I hope a total wipe will help you out.. I mean if you already did the repairs. I would try and run the game one more time with all mods wiped out and clean and repair the game.. I also saw your Pagefile is pretty small 4096.. Maybe try and increase that proveded you have the free space on your drive you are going to put it on too like 65536.. put the same number in start and end..

So, I really don't like the idea of a wipe becasue I am shopping soon for upgrades and that will include MB, CPU, RAM, and more M.2 drives and then a GPU and VR headset after that.

Last night, I renamed my Saved Games/DCS folder and restarted DCS forcing it to recreate the folder. Then I copied over only my controller info and the settings file. Then I did a full repair and extra file removal. Followed by a shader's cleanup.

Today, I removed my one mod (VR Loading Screen Fix) and removed all OXR apps such as Necksafer, HTCC, and OpenKneeboard. 

Then I removed the DCS mod for WWII so I can have others look at the track if needed that don't have that mod.

I recreated the Syria map mission with a Super Carrier group and some static targets. I have done 2 missions so far without any issues. After the 1st mission, I added back in the Necksafer and HTCC. The only issue was a slight microstutter on the carrier as I moved out from parking initially. I used F10 constantly as will as multiple views constantly and going back in and out of F10 without a problem. Next mission I will take off from a base to see if it still works well over land as the current mission was just over the ocean with land in sight but not flying over it.

Maybe something was corrupt in the Saved Games. Here is the log just incase you want to see if there are any changes you notice.

 

dcs.log

[The_Nephilim]

Yes saved games can get corrupt or just some mods acting wierd after DCS Updates.. I hope that is all it was..

 

What PC Parts you planning on getting?

 

 

EDIT: I just noticed this any reason these cores are disabled?

 

 

2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 16 is not available for this process
2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 17 is not available for this process
2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 18 is not available for this process
2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 19 is not available for this process

 

 

Edited September 6 by The_Nephilim

[Maddaawg]

1 hour ago, The_Nephilim said:

Yes saved games can get corrupt or just some mods acting wierd after DCS Updates.. I hope that is all it was..

 

What PC Parts you planning on getting?

 

 

EDIT: I just noticed this any reason these cores are disabled?

 

 

2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 16 is not available for this process
2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 17 is not available for this process
2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 18 is not available for this process
2024-09-06 01:37:45.449 WARNING EDCORE (Main): logical core 19 is not available for this process

 

 

 

I use Process Lasso and prioritize DCS to other cores and those are for the other system apps and processes.

 

For the upgrade either the new 9000x3d's when they come out if they test better than the first Zen 5's, otherwise I will go with 7800x3d, and MB, and RAM will be what is a best match. I do want to add more M.2's than my current 2 and the new MB's coming out look like they have better options for them. I have always used ASUS and the current YT's are busy jumping on the hate bandwagon against them so, I haven't decided yet. I will be jumping to 128GB though, not yet needed but its easier to a match set of 4 than to add 2 later if needed. For GPU, it will be either a 4090 or 5080 or 5090. All depends on announcements and needs. Looking at a Pimax Super and it may need a Super computer to go with it.