1440p monitor size question

[Beirut]

My question is:  Staying at 1440p but going from 27" to 32". Is the picture still very good or will giant visible pixels reach out and slap me? 

 

I'm all about the eye candy. It must be very sweet.

 

Thank you. 

[Hiob]

23 minutes ago, Beirut said:

My question is:  Staying at 1440p but going from 27" to 32". Is the picture still very good or will giant visible pixels reach out and slap me? 

 

I'm all about the eye candy. It must be very sweet.

 

Thank you. 

I would say 32" with 1440p is still perfectly fine. (I have a 48" 4K so basically the same pixel size or ppi). However if eye candy is a priority - why not go 4K? (I can see some reasons, but I'm interested in yours)

p.s. on the note of eye candy - maybe considering OLED over IPS is even more benficial than resolution....

Edited September 16, 2024 by Hiob

[kksnowbear]

In large measure this depends on how close you are to the monitor.

I know someone with a 1440p 32" monitor which I've seen first hand, never occurred to me that the pixels were too big.

I will say that, if you want to avoid larger pixels, the obvious 'next step' would be 4k, but then you have to consider your GPU (which you don't specify).

[Beirut]

6 minutes ago, Hiob said:

I would say 32" with 1440p is still perfectly fine. (I have a 48" 4K so basically the same pixel size or ppi). However if eye candy is a priority - why not go 4K? (I can see some reasons, but I'm interested in yours)

 

Morning,

 

I guess performance is the concern with 4k. I have a 3700X/64RAM/4070. I get solid FPS at 2K on my 27", and I tend to fly small SP missions, but wasn't sure what the loss would be. 

 

I have a very nice 27" monitor and if I go to 32" I don't want to lose the eye candy. And to answer KKSnowbear, I tend to sit pretty close.

[kksnowbear]

Well...to try and estimate the loss (I am assuming you mean performance loss) from moving to 4k from 1440p, the difference is basically 2.25 times the number of pixels - so it's going to be a lot more demanding, for sure.

Note I'm not saying it's linear, in other words I'm not saying it will cut your frame rate by that same 2.25 times...but it *will* be a lot more work for the GPU, no question.

I built a system for a guy from the forum here not that long ago, using a 4070, and I was actually pretty impressed with it even at 4k.  I recall frame rates in the 60-70 range, but a few things apply:

1. That was using DLSS, which as you may know does have some trade-off in quality for the performance gain.

2. I believe it's accurate to say that the map you use will also have a significant effect on performance.  The 4070 testing I did at 4k was fairly limited, only using the Caucasus and Marianas maps, and with a fairly limited amount of other activity as well.

As far as how close you sit...well, generally and broadly, the closer you sit, the more the size of the pixels matters.  Here's a (very general) way to get an idea:  Try getting even closer to the monitor (if that's possible), just as a test, to see what it looks like.  How close to the monitor can you get before the pixels look 'too big' to you?  Basically, by moving closer, you're simulating the effect of a larger monitor with the same number of pixels...but again, this is very broad and general.

 

EDIT: Also,  @Hiob mentioned OLED instead of IPS above, which I think is definitely worth considering.  OLED screens are *very* good-looking, so maybe your desire for  'eye candy' can be satisfied that way.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[Beirut]

I saw some 32" 4K OLED screens, like the Odyssey G8. That's a whack o' cash. I'm willing to spend, but that might be out of my snack bracket. About $1600Cdn. with the tax.

 

That's a chunk.

[Hiob]

Just food for thought.

I opted for an OLED TV (48", 120hz, G-sync-capable) for that reason, because Monitors are insanely overpriced. I paid around 1200,- € iirc.
There ARE downsides to it (mainly missing comfort functions like sleep and wake-up with the PC e.g. or being limited to HDMI).

But the actual gaming experience is awesome.

[kksnowbear]

Yessir...that's up there.  But I think what Hiob was saying (maybe; not to speak for him) was to consider 1440p OLED.  The idea being (again, not to speak for others) to 'make up' for the bigger pictures with what is a decidedly superior image overall.

Truth be told I don't research monitors a lot, but there are websites that can help.

[Hiob]

3 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Yessir...that's up there.  But I think what Hiob was saying (maybe; not to speak for him) was to consider 1440p OLED.  The idea being (again, not to speak for others) to 'make up' for the bigger pictures with what is a decidedly superior image overall.

Truth be told I don't research monitors a lot, but there are websites that can help.

Yeah, that was what I meant. From my own experience I don't see a problem with the particular pixel size (1440p at 32") unless you are significant closer than arms length to it. A 1440p OLED (if such exist, dunno) - might be a sweet spot.
However, before spending 1600+ bucks on a 32" I would lookout for a 42" or even bigger. (which then needs to be 4K of course)

[kksnowbear]

Not sure what the budget might be, but I do see a couple 32" 4k OLED monitors with (what appear to be) reasonable features at Amazon (US) in the $800-1000 range.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-321UP-QD-OLED-Adaptive-Synch/dp/B0D9HY3JH2?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Compatible-Glare-Free-Warranty-LS32DG802SNXZA/dp/B0D1DSXW17?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I didn't look very hard, though, and I can't really comment on how good they are...best bet with monitors in particular is study, study, study.  Read reviews.

Also at least here in the states, things will hopefully be a little cheaper in a couple months (holidays).  It often pays to wait.

Best o' luck

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[TKhaos]

If you were thinking of going to 32in, 4K then the Dell Alienware AW3225QF is really nice but bit pricey compared to others, you can buy it from Dell direct.

This is the specs, it's the UK site so can just change to where you are:

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/alienware-32-4k-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3225qf/apd/210-bllv/monitors-monitor-accessories

Couple of decent 1440p monitors are the 32in Corsair Xeneon 32QHD165 and the 34in Philips Evnia 8000 34M2C8600 which are a lot cheaper than the Dell.

Corsair Xeneon 32QHD165

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/monitors/cm-9020007-pe/corsair-xeneon-315qhd165-32-inch-ips-gaming-monitor-qhd-2560-x-1440-165hz-1ms-hdr-ready-1-07-billion-colors-pe-cm-9020007-pe

Philips Evnia 8000 34M2C8600

https://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/34M2C8600_00/evnia-curved-gaming-monitor-qd-oled-gaming-monitor

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by TKhaos

[rob s]

lg 45 oled curvo free sync 240 hz 3440x1440 a show

[TKhaos]

2 minutes ago, rob s said:

lg 45 oled curvo free sync 240 hz 3440x1440 a show

My nephews got one of them, really nice they are. His is wall mounted though as he uses it for PC and PS5. It's a bit big for me as I use desk mounts due to multi monitor setup although suppose I could ditch the multi setup, wall mount then pull the desk away from the wall

[kksnowbear]

24 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

wall mount then pull the desk away from the wall

Why not? It's not as absurd as it might sound TBH.  And you get back some desk real estate.

Plus you have more flexibility in mounting the monitor at a better position with respect to both TrackIR (if you use it) and also optimal display height (which is always with your gaze at or just below the top edge of the monitor - not the middle).

It's also much better for anyone who wears eyeglasses with multi-focal lenses, since the reading/close range of such lenses is always at the bottom.  Mounting the monitor higher forces you to tilt your head back more, which has long since been identified as a major cause of fatigue, soreness and long-term injury.

For some reason I can't figure out, some people here have implied (if not insisted) the desk is of no use if it's not against a wall.

[Hiob]

Just now, kksnowbear said:

(which is always with your gaze at or just below the top edge of the monitor - not the middle).

This is true for static office work where you stare mmore or less motionless at documents for prolonged time periods.
When using a very large monitor - especially one that is 16:9 - you can't do that (obviously), but it doesn't hurt. You basically have the cockpit life sized in front of you (depending on the fov) and sometime you need to look "up" above your eye-line same as you would in a real cockpit. Other than in an office situation, your constantly moving your head and look around (at least you should).

[Tzigy]

48 LG OLED. works great, default FOV/zoom level it feels like I'm right in the cockpit w correct the size of the instrument ), gunsigh etc

[kksnowbear]

34 minutes ago, Hiob said:

This is true for static office work where you stare mmore or less motionless at documents for prolonged time periods.
When using a very large monitor - especially one that is 16:9 - you can't do that (obviously), but it doesn't hurt. You basically have the cockpit life sized in front of you (depending on the fov) and sometime you need to look "up" above your eye-line same as you would in a real cockpit. Other than in an office situation, your constantly moving your head and look around (at least you should).

To my knowledge, there is no authoritative source that distinguishes between the two use cases.   The guidelines exist because of using a monitor for protracted periods, regardless of what type usage - again, to my knowledge.

I trust you have a reference?  I'd be thrilled to see that, and welcome the enlightenment.

(PS: Also, while moving your head around might help with fatigue, etc, it still doesn't change the fact that people who wear multi-focal lenses have to look through the bottom of their glasses for objects in the near range.  Forces the user to tilt their head back.  Higher the monitor, worse it gets.  This is also among the reasons your eyes should be at the top of the monitor or near.  FWIW it's not at all impossible to mount even large monitors to help with this (within reasonable limits, of course), and still be able to use a desktop as well.  In fact, it's precisely what I intend to do (as closely as possible).  I already have the mounts, and my desk is away from the wall.  Just time and laziness has kept me from doing it.  I have a Samsung Odyssey G9 49" monitor, for reference)

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[TKhaos]

31 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Why not? It's not as absurd as it might sound TBH.  And you get back some desk real estate.

I started thinking about that as soon as I replied, visualising a nice big monitor on the wall with the desk pulled back. Currently my monitors are all set at eye level which means I've lost quite a bit of desk space, especially from my main monitor in front of me. The LG 45in UltraGear or the 49in UltraGear would make nice additions, still keep one of my 27in either wall mounted or to the side of the desk as I need a second screen for work stuff

I had considered before dual resolution, some of the Alienware have dual mode so 4K for gaming then switch to FHD for work but it was a little low for my liking would have preferred native 4K/2K.

53 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

For some reason I can't figure out, some people here have implied (if not insisted) the desk is of no use if it's not against a wall.

I've never have my desks flush against the wall, currently got about 18in gap as it allows for airflow, being able to get to the back of the base unit without moving the desk, which is 7ft long so a pain and easy to get stuff back I drop down the back    

[kksnowbear]

23 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

I started thinking about that as soon as I replied, visualising a nice big monitor on the wall with the desk pulled back. Currently my monitors are all set at eye level which means I've lost quite a bit of desk space, especially from my main monitor in front of me. The LG 45in UltraGear or the 49in UltraGear would make nice additions, still keep one of my 27in either wall mounted or to the side of the desk as I need a second screen for work stuff

I had considered before dual resolution, some of the Alienware have dual mode so 4K for gaming then switch to FHD for work but it was a little low for my liking would have preferred native 4K/2K.

I've never have my desks flush against the wall, currently got about 18in gap as it allows for airflow, being able to get to the back of the base unit without moving the desk, which is 7ft long so a pain and easy to get stuff back I drop down the back    

Absolutely   Of course, there are reasonable limits to anything...but insisting a desk has to be against a wall, or that a monitor has to sit on the desk, or you can't have the bottom of a monitor below desktop level...these are all just 'artificial and imaginary' limitations that have little or no basis in fact or reality.

Not that I really subscribed to it (necessarily), but I can clearly remember when it was a thing to have a glass desktop, with the monitor beneath, so the user could look down through the desktop to the monitor.  Supposedly ergonomic, though to be accurate I don't know if it panned out at all or what became if it.  But it was definitely a thing.  Seemed a little extreme to me TBH

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[TKhaos]

1 hour ago, Hiob said:

This is true for static office work where you stare mmore or less motionless at documents for prolonged time periods.

In the UK the HSE guidelines state you should take a 5 to 10 minute break every 60 minutes or more frequently if required. Others also suggest the 20-20-20 rule which is 20 second break, every 20 minutes and focus on something 20 feet away to prevent eye strain, in reality it rarely happens though.

I know many professional reviews and articles claim the optimal size for a desk monitor is 27in for both work and gaming. You could further argue that with at what resolution, 4K, 2K or FHD because everyone's eyesight is different. I've never had any issues with 16:9 monitors before, a majority are that aspect now unless you go over 32in so it all depends on the size of your monitor. I have never had any issues and don't even need to move my head with a 27in 16:9, do have to marginally with 32in but barely anything.

Saying that I could have a 45in 21:9 monitor and still not have problems unless I'm sat 2ft away from it, if it's at the correct distance it's fine. So not sure where the 16:9 issue comes in as it's all about screen size and position.

[TKhaos]

10 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Not that I really subscribed to it (necessarily), but I can clearly remember when it was a thing to have a glass desktop, with the monitor beneath

Not sure what happened to that either, I have seen it with places I've worked but was more for monitoring purposes rather than working on say documents but would give me neck ache. When I did some teaching at the local college before they were even allowed to switch anything on in the computer classes they had to set their own monitors up, but we had to do it according to Health and Safety guidelines.

Personally I set my own monitors up at eye level with my head in a natural position but it's each to their own.

[Hiob]

22 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

In the UK the HSE guidelines state you should take a 5 to 10 minute break every 60 minutes or more frequently if required. Others also suggest the 20-20-20 rule which is 20 second break, every 20 minutes and focus on something 20 feet away to prevent eye strain, in reality it rarely happens though.

I know many professional reviews and articles claim the optimal size for a desk monitor is 27in for both work and gaming. You could further argue that with at what resolution, 4K, 2K or FHD because everyone's eyesight is different. I've never had any issues with 16:9 monitors before, a majority are that aspect now unless you go over 32in so it all depends on the size of your monitor. I have never had any issues and don't even need to move my head with a 27in 16:9, do have to marginally with 32in but barely anything.

Saying that I could have a 45in 21:9 monitor and still not have problems unless I'm sat 2ft away from it, if it's at the correct distance it's fine. So not sure where the 16:9 issue comes in as it's all about screen size and position.

I‘m using a 48“ monitor. And since it is 16:9 and not 21:9 or 32:9, it has considerable more height than any average monitor. Basically putting the eye-line on the upper egde is impossible with this kind of screen (given normal desk and seat heights). Never had any problems with it though. It makes it even more immersive for me, since cockpit parts that are supposed to be above my line of sight (mirrors, overhead panels etc) indeed are where they are supposed to be.

[TKhaos]

2 minutes ago, Hiob said:

I‘m using a 48“ monitor. And since it is 16:9 and not 21:9 or 32:9

Explains a lot then, can imagine the size of that on a desk and it being impossibe to have at eye level

[kksnowbear]

10 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

Explains a lot then, can imagine the size of that on a desk and it being impossibe to have at eye level

Yes, but again, there's nothing anywhere that says it has to be on a desktop.  If someone chooses to do that, fine - but that's due to personal preference, not because it's "impossible". 

It's not even really difficult - much less "impossible" - to have larger monitors at the (widely recognized) proper height.  It only becomes "impossible" if one insists it has to be on a desktop - which is not a law anywhere that I know of. It's a self-imposed limitation. Nothing more.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[Hiob]

6 minutes ago, TKhaos said:

Explains a lot then, can imagine the size of that on a desk and it being impossibe to have at eye level

It‘s not as bad as it sounds though. 75% is still below my eye-line and the viewing distance is so that I still have the whole screen in sight without moving my head or eyes. And you have to move up your head anyway when you are using TrackIR. That movement is more than enough to comfortably focus on the upper edge of the screen.