Frame drops and stutters in the bin exe

[captain_dalan]

Just after today's update, i booted DCS from the default updater shortcut, that defaults to running the exe in the bin folder. As a result i get a huge amount of stutters when looking around the sky, both in cockpit and outside. If on the the other hand, i run DCS from the exe in the MT folder, it runs smooth as silk. If i understood right, both exes should be the same as of today? When i hover over them, they are the same version for sure. But are they the same file really? And what would make one of them full of stutters and the other run smooth?

Screenshots below:

[Kanelbolle]

18 hours ago, captain_dalan said:

Just after today's update, i booted DCS from the default updater shortcut, that defaults to running the exe in the bin folder. As a result i get a huge amount of stutters when looking around the sky, both in cockpit and outside. If on the the other hand, i run DCS from the exe in the MT folder, it runs smooth as silk. If i understood right, both exes should be the same as of today? When i hover over them, they are the same version for sure. But are they the same file really? And what would make one of them full of stutters and the other run smooth?

Screenshots below:
 

Hi!

What OS are you running ? If you are running Win10/11, have you added both .exe files to the "Custom graphics settings" list ?
You can find it under "Display Settings" ->"Graphics" or "System" -> "Display" -> "Graphics"
Add both .exe files and sett it to "High Performance"

 

Other then that, if you have a NVIDIA graphic card, check that you don't have a custom profile in NVIDIA Control panel for one of the .exe files, that might give it better or less performance.

 

Also are you using the launcher or not ?

 

Are you running it on the same map and scenario when testing, looks like Caucasus on one picture and Syria on the other.. This matters, all maps and scenarios are not the same. Do the same Instant Action mission, on the same map with the same Aircraft and compare them.

At least i do not have this issue, tried all maps i own on the /bin version, and i get the same FPS on them all in the same Instant action mission with the same aircraft.

Edited October 1, 2024 by Kanelbolle

[captain_dalan]

23 hours ago, Kanelbolle said:

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Also are you using the launcher or not ?

 

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I had the chance the do some troubleshooting the last few days, and the launcher definitely plays a part, though in a bit of unexpected manner. When i enable the launcher, and i run DCS through it, the bin folder exe performs smoothly, no stutters at all. But i run the exe of mt-bin folder, the stutters appear, like the the screenshots above. It's the complete opposite when i disable the launcher, and run the exe files through the shortcuts or the updater. 

[captain_dalan]

23 hours ago, Kanelbolle said:

 

 

Are you running it on the same map and scenario when testing, looks like Caucasus on one picture and Syria on the other.. This matters, all maps and scenarios are not the same. Do the same Instant Action mission, on the same map with the same Aircraft and compare them.

 

 

This didn't seem to make a difference. The screenshots above just so happened to be from different maps (Nevada and Caucasus), but i have repeated the tests in all maps i own, except maybe Marianas. For me at least, the stutter isn't map related, but launcher related. Which is weird, as both indicate same versions of the file, both in file explorer and inside the game splash screen.

23 hours ago, Kanelbolle said:

Hi!

What OS are you running ? If you are running Win10/11, have you added both .exe files to the "Custom graphics settings" list ?
You can find it under "Display Settings" ->"Graphics" or "System" -> "Display" -> "Graphics"
Add both .exe files and sett it to "High Performance"

 

I'm running Win10. My settings are the same when i check the graphics settings in the game. Do you mean some other settings file? 

[Kanelbolle]

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I had the chance the do some troubleshooting the last few days, and the launcher definitely plays a part, though in a bit of unexpected manner. When i enable the launcher, and i run DCS through it, the bin folder exe performs smoothly, no stutters at all. But i run the exe of mt-bin folder, the stutters appear, like the the screenshots above. It's the complete opposite when i disable the launcher, and run the exe files through the shortcuts or the updater. 

Yea, the stutter thing when using the launcher i have seen in other posts. If you are aware of it, then you at least know how to avoid it.

From my own testing, i see no difference in both bin and mt-bin.

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I'm running Win10. My settings are the same when i check the graphics settings in the game. Do you mean some other settings file? 

No, im not talking about DCS settings. In Windows there is a App default setting in graphics settings. Make sure to add bot .exe files to this and set it to "High Performance"

 

 

And if you have an Nvidia Graphic card, make sure you are not using different settings in the Nvidia Control panel for each .exe file. (If you have messed around with this and made a custom setting for DCS, that is not following the Global settings) If you have AMD, i do not know what settings there are.

[MAXsenna]

@captain_dalan Can you post your DCS log? I'm experiencing somewhat of the same. When I start DCS through Skatezilla's app, and bypass the launcher. I end of with a lot of sound compilation timeouts. And get a stutter fest. 

[Kanelbolle]

20 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

@captain_dalan Can you post your DCS log? I'm experiencing somewhat of the same. When I start DCS through Skatezilla's app, and bypass the launcher. I end of with a lot of sound compilation timeouts. And get a stutter fest. 

I would advise that if you ask people to post their log fil, that you clarify that they should go through it and check for sensitive information before posting it.

The others day someone posted their log file with their DCs username and password...

No idea why ED would log that.. big security risk

Edited October 3, 2024 by Kanelbolle

[MAXsenna]

6 minutes ago, Kanelbolle said:

I would advise that if you ask people to post their log fil, that you clarify that they should go through it and check for sensitive information before posting it.

The others day someone posted their log file with their DCs username and password...

No idea why ED would log that.. big security risk

 

The log file does not contain the username and password. That's BS. It does on the otherhand contain the path to Saved Games with your "name", and that's hardly sensitive. Logs are asked for all the time. I've even posted mine, and nobody ask you to remove it. Not even the mods. 

Litt mange boller nå på morgenen eller?  

[Kanelbolle]

1 minute ago, MAXsenna said:

The log file does not contain the username and password. That's BS. It does on the otherhand contain the path to Saved Games with your "name", and that's hardly sensitive. Logs are asked for all the time. I've even posted mine, and nobody ask you to remove it. Not even the mods. 

Litt mange boller nå på morgenen eller?  

Have seen it myself. I contact the user directly an made him change the password and remove it from the log file.

Desverre ikke..

Edited October 3, 2024 by Kanelbolle

[MAXsenna]

4 minutes ago, Kanelbolle said:

Have seen it myself. I contact the user directly an made him change the password and remove it from the log file.

Desverre ikke..

 

Now, please show me the log in info. 

 

[Kanelbolle]

3 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Now, please show me the log in info. 

 

There "can" be sensitive information in the log file. Not always. In This specific case it was a invalid login, maybe the user miss typed the password or used an old password... But still a security risk.

 

Here you can still see it at the end of the log file where the username and password was:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dcsworld/s/5gcoaezdCz

Edited October 3, 2024 by Kanelbolle

[MAXsenna]

12 minutes ago, Kanelbolle said:

There "can" be sensitive information in the log file. Not always. In This specific case it was a invalid login, maybe the user miss typed the password or used an old password... But still a security risk.

 

Here you can still see it at the end of the log file where the username and password was:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dcsworld/s/5gcoaezdCz

 

Hmmm, okay fair point. Even if it still didn't contain the "password". The log should not contain either username nor password even if they are incorrect. 

The devs need to look into this. 

@BIGNEWY @NineLine

Edited October 3, 2024 by MAXsenna

[Kanelbolle]

4 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Hmmm, okay fair point. Even if it still didn't contain the "password". The log should not contain either username nor password even if they are incorrect. 

The devs need to look into this. 

@BIGNEWY @NineLine

 

Have sendt a DM to a mod. This should never be the case in a log file and it's a big security oversight. Seam to be introduced withe the launcher.

[captain_dalan]

@Kanelbolle and @MAXsenna
The issues seems resolved with the latest update (the hotfix), but i can't be entirely sure it's the only thing that helped, as i did follow Kanelbolle's advice as well, and added both exe files and configured them for high performance. A note, that even after this, i still had issue with the Persian Gulf map. In a final act of desperation i created a direct shortcut to the exe in the bin folder, thus bypassing the updater all together when running it. Et voila! This completely resolved all stutter issues i had when panning the view around. My launcher is still disabled BTW. For the time being i'll mark this as solution, though i will keep an eye on the stutters with future updates and the role of the launcher in them. 

Edited October 3, 2024 by captain_dalan

[Kanelbolle]

1 minute ago, captain_dalan said:

@Kanelbolle and @MAXsenna
The issues seems resolved with the latest update (the hotfix), but i can't be entirely sure it's the only thing that helped, as i did follow Kanelbolle's advice as well, and added both exe files and configured them for high performance. A note, that even after this, i still had issue with the Persian Gulf map. In a final act of desperation i created a direct shortcut to the exe in the bin folder, thus bypassing the updater all together when running it. Et voila! This completely resolved all stutter issues i had when panning the view around. My launcher is still disabled BTW. For the time being i'll mark this as solution, though i will keep an eye on the stutters with future updates and the role of the launcher in them. 

Good to hear Have fun

[MAXsenna]

Have sendt a DM to a mod. This should never be the case in a log file and it's a big security oversight. Seam to be introduced withe the launcher.

I agree. To be honest the log file should have the Windows username obscured as well.

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