NATO comm brevity with FCR

[Hyperlynx]

I know that when you want to say that you can see a target with your eyeballs you say "tally", and when you can't see a target you say "no joy".

What are the equivalents for when you're using your FCR? For instance, while BVR, if I've got a datalink contact I'm trying to lock with my FCR, and my radar isn't picking them up yet, what brevity code would I use to tell my flight? As far as I understand it wouldn't be "no joy" because that's for seeing it with my eyes and that's not relevant. Likewise, when they do get in range and I start picking them up on radar what would I say? "Tally" isn't correct there, either, is it?

While we're at it, are there seperate terms for just picking up radar contacts vs getting a radar lock? Eg if they're using jamming, you pick up that they're there but can't lock due to the jamming?

[GrafRotz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiservice_tactical_brevity_code

try this one. Totally depends on the situation. Tied is a good one, Judy when beeing coordinated by an controller. CRTL+F "Radar"

[Gianky]

Hey Hyperlynx.

GrafRotz offered a good source, you can also watch Mike Solyom's excellent channel: he has a playlist on BVR combat, there are videos about communications and brevity codes.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd5Qdmhmp3Y7wxYI4cVxcDPdswhj_Zgpi

From what I understand, anyway, most of the brevity codes we're talking here are about communications between the controller entity (e.g. AWACS) and the fighters: "judy" for example is to communicate to the AWACS that you have picked up the contact on your radar and can proceed to intercept on your own. I think it's understood that the other members of the flight have the same contact and the targeting of the individual targets is done through the sorting process (which uses the "sort" brevity code).

EDIT: add to the playlist the last two published videos, "Group brevity explained" and "Intercept commit explained"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0z3GZLaGcM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fvyASV3chY

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Gianky

[avensis]

Once you get a radar lock on the target, you can use terms like "lock" or "locked" to signal that your radar has indeed locked on to the target.

 

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Edited December 17, 2024 by avensis

[Hyperlynx]

At the time I posted, I'd actually already looked through the linked brevity code doc, and seen those The Operation Room videos, but still don't know the answers to my questions.

Well, ok, a related question, then: if we're doing an intercept, and lead calls "SORT left to right", how would I respond if I can see on datalink what target -1 expects me to take responsibility for, but I can't yet get an FCR lock? Would I call "2 SORTED" because I know which target is mine, even though I don't have a lock? If so, what's the correct term for when I later do have a lock (if any)? If not, what would I call to tell lead that I don't have a lock? "NO JOY"? "NO JOY RADAR"?

I did see METALLICA in there as "I can't get a lock due to jamming", though that's pretty specific...

Edited December 11, 2024 by Hyperlynx

[Pavlin_33]

We used the term "Dolly" to indicate that we have a traget on the data-link.

[Phantom711]

Am 11.12.2024 um 06:18 schrieb Hyperlynx:

if we're doing an intercept, and lead calls "SORT left to right", how would I respond if I can see on datalink what target -1 expects me to take responsibility for

Just say „2“. It means you have understood the command.

Call „2 sorted eastern“ once you have the respective contact designated on your radar.

(There is no left or right. Cardinal directions fir side-side formations, and „leader/trailer“ for formations where one contact appears behind another one)

Am 11.12.2024 um 06:18 schrieb Hyperlynx:

If not, what would I call to tell lead that I don't have a lock? "NO JOY"? "NO JOY RADAR"?

„Scope‘s clean“ if you don‘t have any RDR contact. 

“Unable“ might be an option as an immediate response as well. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Phantom711

[Hyperlynx]

On 12/31/2024 at 7:13 PM, Phantom711 said:

Just say „2“. It means you have understood the command.

Call „2 sorted eastern“ once you have the respective contact designated on your radar.

(There is no left or right. Cardinal directions fir side-side formations, and „leader/trailer“ for formations where one contact appears behind another one)

„Scope‘s clean“ if you don‘t have any RDR contact. 

“Unable“ might be an option as an immediate response as well. 

In other words, "SORTED" indicates that you do have a radar lock? Ok.

Edited January 6 by Hyperlynx

[plasma1945]

Sorted would mean that you have your target select in TWS.

now if you cant sort or.. you go into a Single Track Targeting you would use a LOCKED statement 
or.
lets say wingman has a LOCK but cant tell which of the two targets you have locked, you would call out LOCKED XX THOUSAND 

beyond this no further details or information is available - 

(just dont call enemies Bogeys or Bandits if you are planning to shoot them - 
BOGEY - own or enemy -- unknown contact
BANDIT - enemy - CANT shoot because has not passed ROE
HOSTILE - enemy - has cleared ROE