AN/ALQ-167 ??

[scommander2]

Hi,

Based on the release note from HB about:

Quote

• ALQ-167 is now mounted on BRU-32 adapter

from:

I am not sure that that adapter is a pod?!

The AN/ALQ-167 is a pod, likes:

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-an167.htm

Any suggestion?

Thanks.

 

 

 

[razo+r]

The pod can be loaded onto station 6.

[scommander2]

1 hour ago, razo+r said:

The pod can be loaded onto station 6.

Thanks a lot!! My bad:-)

[_Hoss]

This Pod started life as the DLQ-3B it was used to counter Iranian F-14 and F-4 RADARS. Because our AN/ALQ-100 and ALQ-126's Threat library will not respond to an F-14 or F-4 RADAR system, because it does not see it as hostile, now it's for simulation purposes as far as I can tell. We had them during Operation Preying Mantis in 1988 to put on the F-14s, A-6, and EA-6B's. Only the Iranian F-4s got airborne, the Prowlers selectively jammed them and they turned around and went home. We never used the DLQ's.

AT1(SW/SW) USN ret. 1977-1997

DECM Technician.

[Tomcatter87]

As far as I know, the pod was sometimes used together with the TARPS pod to make the photo cats less vulnerable to threats.

Edited November 23, 2024 by Tomcatter87

[_Hoss]

We (Workcenter 64C) never issued one out of the POD shop locker on the Enterprise to any F-14, A-6, or EA-6B squadrons on the 86 or 88 Cruise. I would have been the person they needed to see to check it out. We didn't take the Pods on the Lincoln cruises I made in 93/95. The Black Lions and Aardvarks were on both boats for all four cruises.

You guys believe too much of what you read online. Another boat may have issued them on their cruises, but we did not. The 88 cruise was Operation Preying Mantis when we would have needed them the most. But the EA-6B's handled anything we saw coming out of Iran. They can selectively and Actively Jam anything rotating, radiating, or communicating in RF. That POD has a very selective threat library it will respond to. You will get buddy spikes from Iranian AWG-9 and APQ-120 RADARS on the old AN/ALR-45/45F/50 and later AN/ALR-67 RWR systems, and the Deception Repeaters (ALQ-100/126) will not send out deception pulses. But they didn't have a pair big enough to come out and play with us. They left their sailors on the Sahand and Sabalan Frigates to the whims of VA-95, VA-22, and VA-94. They couldn't keep the new Sahand from capsizing in port, let alone get it out to sea to meet the same fate as its predecessor. The Iran and Iraq war lasted a good 8 years; we beat Iran twice in both wars in weeks and sank Iran's Navy in 8 hours. You have seen what the IDF did to Iran in one night. Both were paper tigers... China and Russia can't keep their boats afloat either. Remember the USS Roberts and USS Cole. Both cruised again.

Cheers.

SHWFOTS (VA-94)

Edited November 25, 2024 by _Hoss

[MicroShket]

6 часов назад, _Hoss сказал:

China and Russia can't keep their boats afloat either.

A very bold statement on the off-topic subject.

[Nealius]

Well, clearly the pod was used as shown here in 1997 during OSW with TARPS on a combat mission. This reddit comment by someone supposedly with first-hand experience mentions the pods had configurable modules to jam a wide array of threats, and that it was transferred to red air roles for simulation because it wasn't as effective as more specialised jammers. This website lists 18(?) different configurations. 

The idea that it was only used to counter F-4 and F-14 radars seems suspect, given the contrary evidence.

[_Hoss]

5 hours ago, Nealius said:

Well, clearly the pod was used as shown here in 1997 during OSW with TARPS on a combat mission. This reddit comment by someone supposedly with first-hand experience mentions the pods had configurable modules to jam a wide array of threats, and that it was transferred to red air roles for simulation because it wasn't as effective as more specialised jammers. This website lists 18(?) different configurations. 

The idea that it was only used to counter F-4 and F-14 radars seems suspect, given the contrary evidence.

That Tomcat's VF-102 tail designation is AB, that is an East Coast Atlantic F-14 Squadron. I was a WESTPAC sailor....  CVW-11 was NH on the Enterprise and Lincoln for all four of my cruises on those two boats. Not counting my first three on the Connie with CAG-9, NG, 1979-82. All in workcenter 64C DECM, shop. Like I said earlier, we never used them. 

[Nealius]

So it's fair to say that its use is wholly dependent upon the CVW, with no universal "truth," as it were.

[_Hoss]

To your statement; yes, more than likely. I was an instructor at NAMTRAGRUDET NAS Lemoore, 12/89 - 07/93. I never had a tech from NAS Miramar (Tomcat techs) in my AN/ALQ-126A or 126B classes, or AN/ALR-67 class. I never had a F-14 I-Level tech in my workcenter on the boat(s) working on ALQs. So some CAW, squadrons may have used them because all the techs I had out of Miramar were ALQ-100 Techs. I can tell you the 167 was probably configurable through its programmable threat library EPROM, just like the ALR-45F and ALR-67. Same for the ALQ-126's. Target Tracking/Firecontrol RADARS are classified by their PRF/PW. i.e. their Finger Print. Those are in a memory library, then identified, and appropriate deception techniques assigned by priority of threat. If it's not in the library, it's classified as unknown, and just gets random noise to bury the real return in the threat RADARs reciever. No intervention is necessary by the pilot. But IRL you have a Prowler or Growler out there that can selectively/manually pick out threats of the ECMOs choice, and jam the emitters unceasingly. You put a ALQ-126A/B in repeat, it will transmit only as long as it's in the RADARS zone of lethality. Sensitivity (ingress) and Snap-down (egress) settings. It stays on a bit longer on the way out. 

ED/DCS/Developers, probably won't ever get any of it modeled correctly. They do need AI, EA-6B Prowlers, EF-111 Ravens or Sparkvarks, and EF-18 Growlers.

IMHO

Cheers

[Tomcatter87]

I've been in contact with "Dave "Bio" Baranek about the pod. When he was CO of VF-211 Fighting Checkmates, they used the pod for Operation Southern Watch, you can see it on some of his photos, too. Should have been around 1997. 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Tomcatter87

[_Hoss]

Not my CAW on the Enterprise and Lincoln..85-89 and 93-97..... VF-211 and VF-24 were on the Connie in CAW 9 when I was on it in 79-82. 

I retired April 30, 1997.