Beefed up my system in anticipation of receiving my Pimax Crystal Light; Can barely read my HUD or Targeting Pod

[Maolain]

Running a GForce 4090 and Ryzen 9 16-core. Admittedly, I'm not the most PC savvy person on the planet. There are at least two people who know less than I do.

I've had the Pimax for a week, watched countless videos, read chats, etc.

Refresh Rate on Pimax: 90Hz Upscale

Render Quality: Customize 0.75

Pimax OpenXR Quadviews CHECKED

Preference: Balanced

General: OpenXRRuntime: Pimax OpenXR

I've installed QuadViews and set it as per instructions from the Pimax website for my GPU. I also installed the thing QuadViews tells you to install to make it work. Whether or not it's working, I don't know.

I've checked Quad View in the DCS VR menu page.

Nothing I do seems to improve the resolution of the HUD or the TGP. Depending on how I've configured the settings, I was getting 90+ fps. I should also note that the general atmosphere while aloft is super hazy -- not something I've ever noticed in non-VR use.

Anyone out there who has dialed in their Pimax so that the HUD and TGP look nearly as good in VR as they do in regular 2D game? Are there in-game settings that effect clarity?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

(I disabled my existing Open XR toolkit, thinking that it was creating a conflict, but alas, it made no difference.)

[DCoffey]

I always had a slightly blurry vision in VR of the cockpit, I started using VDS and it was like night and day for me. I was able to drop the pixel density from 1.3 to 1.0 which made a nice FPS increase as a bonus

[Maolain]

You lost me. What is VDS? thanks.

[SharpeXB]

Does adjusting the Resolution of Cockpit Displays in the DCS System Settings help?

[Maolain]

I currently have it set for 1024 every frame.

[Keith Briscoe]

Maybe send a pic of your system/graphics page/settings.

I have PCL and 4090. I noticed recently that changing to 90 upscale mode reduced clarity of mfds. So just try regular 90hz.i think your system can run it.

[Peedee]

2 hours ago, Maolain said:

Running a GForce 4090 and Ryzen 9 16-core. Admittedly, I'm not the most PC savvy person on the planet. There are at least two people who know less than I do.

I've had the Pimax for a week, watched countless videos, read chats, etc.

Refresh Rate on Pimax: 90Hz Upscale

Render Quality: Customize 0.75

Pimax OpenXR Quadviews CHECKED

Preference: Balanced

General: OpenXRRuntime: Pimax OpenXR

I've installed QuadViews and set it as per instructions from the Pimax website for my GPU. I also installed the thing QuadViews tells you to install to make it work. Whether or not it's working, I don't know.

I've checked Quad View in the DCS VR menu page.

Nothing I do seems to improve the resolution of the HUD or the TGP. Depending on how I've configured the settings, I was getting 90+ fps. I should also note that the general atmosphere while aloft is super hazy -- not something I've ever noticed in non-VR use.

Anyone out there who has dialed in their Pimax so that the HUD and TGP look nearly as good in VR as they do in regular 2D game? Are there in-game settings that effect clarity?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

(I disabled my existing Open XR toolkit, thinking that it was creating a conflict, but alas, it made no difference.)

With that PC, try set render quality High in Pimax Play and 72hz. 90 hz upscale isn’t that using a very low resolution and upscale it? Not sure how 90hz upscale works exactly.. And then using in addition low resolution of 0.75 render quality makes it worse again? It might be that you are feeding a low quality image? 

I got a Crystal and Quadviews works fine. Hud and mfd, tgp are clear and easy to read.  But I will also get a Crystal Light in a few days so I can check out more what works then with the Light.

i got a 4090 like you, and i9 13900k. Even without eye tracking on the Crystal Light I don’t think you need such a low resolution in Pimax Play. 

[Phantom711]

To anyone who was confused by my post that I just deleted… For some reason I wrote it all in german.

But yeah, so basically, what Peedee said.

[Blackhawk163]

Let me ask you what is your preferred frame rate?
 

I am on a 4080 super and this is what I did. I increased the pixel density up to 80 disabled any upscaling and if you can personally handle it, antialiasing. Igf you’re not affected by it, this should give you a locked 60fps in city areas on the deck. A 4090 is capable of more so you should be in the 70-80 range. Up in higher altitudes the fps will be higher. You’ll be able to make out every dial and display within the cockpit when looking at it within the quad view center. 
 

I lock my fps to 60 btw and set the Pimax to 120. I don’t know if it a bug in the software but when I don’t lock it at 60, I get dips into the mid 50s, I lock it at 60 it stays at 60 unless it’s too graphically demanding. 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Blackhawk163

[Simo]

16 hours ago, DCoffey said:

I always had a slightly blurry vision in VR of the cockpit, I started using VDS and it was like night and day for me. I was able to drop the pixel density from 1.3 to 1.0 which made a nice FPS increase as a bonus

What is this VDS you speak of??

[Koziolek]

maybe Virtual Desktop?

[Maolain]

First of all, thank you all for your suggestions. 90hz seemed like a good idea, so why was lowering the Pimax setting to 72 hz so miraculous? I also changed render quality to High in Pimax settings. I can now read my MFDS, my HUD, my TGP, so hallelujah. I'm still tweaking but I am now understanding why people are loving their Pimax Crystal Light. Under current settings, I'm averaging around 60-70 fps. Blackhawk163 mentioned increasing the pixel density to 80 -- I don't see that option in either Pimax, or DCS settings. Can someone clarify?

Again, many thanks.

 

Maolain

[Phantom711]

Render quality and Pixel Density is essentially the same thing. To start off I recommend to only consciously change it at one place, otherwise you just confuse yourself. So usually keep PD in the DCS VR settings at 1.0.

So what he meant was probably to increase your Render Quality from 0.75 to 0.80.

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Maolain:

90hz seemed like a good idea, so why was lowering the Pimax setting to 72 hz so miraculous?

With regards to image quality, at 72Hz you are not using the upscaling version anymore. (Why Pimax tied upscaling to a specific refresh rate is a different story…). So even though this puts more stress on your system with regards to the pixels rendered per frame, at the same time you decreased the stress the lowering the refresh rate, and hence the „desired“ FPS, to 72Hz.

Ideally you want to tweak your settings so that you achieve 72FPS in most situations. That would make for a smooth experience. But YMMV.

Edited November 26, 2024 by Phantom711

[sleighzy]

On 11/25/2024 at 9:30 AM, Maolain said:

Pimax OpenXR Quadviews CHECKED

Preference: Balanced

General: OpenXRRuntime: Pimax OpenXR

I've installed QuadViews and set it as per instructions from the Pimax website for my GPU. I also installed the thing QuadViews tells you to install to make it work. Whether or not it's working, I don't know.

If you're referring to the PimaxPlay runtime and turning on Quad Views in there then that is different from Quad-Views-Foveated which you get from Mbucchias Github repository (if this is the thing you additionally installed). Can you confirm whether or not that is the case. You may find that one is interferring with the other if that is the case.

"I also installed the thing QuadViews tells you to install to make it work." - what is this additional thing?

Edited November 26, 2024 by sleighzy

[Blackhawk163]

On 11/25/2024 at 3:35 PM, Maolain said:

First of all, thank you all for your suggestions. 90hz seemed like a good idea, so why was lowering the Pimax setting to 72 hz so miraculous? I also changed render quality to High in Pimax settings. I can now read my MFDS, my HUD, my TGP, so hallelujah. I'm still tweaking but I am now understanding why people are loving their Pimax Crystal Light. Under current settings, I'm averaging around 60-70 fps. Blackhawk163 mentioned increasing the pixel density to 80 -- I don't see that option in either Pimax, or DCS settings. Can someone clarify?

Again, many thanks.

 

Maolain

I'm sorry, I should have written render settings. I set mine to custom, and then played around with the slider until I got consistent low-level performance. I usually test this in the BFM instant mission in Afghanistan using either the F-14 or F4. I fly low tight circles over the Tarinkot airfield which has a good mix in object density to make sure that I don't dip below 60fps. I also lock my fps at 60. I'm gpu limited with DCS and the VR setting I want to go with, so this winds up working well for me. 

The render settings can also be found in the VR section in DCS under pixel density Just below the enable VR headset settings

Edited November 27, 2024 by Blackhawk163