MULTI MONITOR- 3-SCREEN ANGLE ADJUSTMENTS

[Trebor18320]

When using the three 3-screen setup, the perspective angle of the two outer screens have no adjustability. This is a must have feature in any simulator.  Most every driving sim on the market has the ability to adjust and correct the angles when using 3 screens but NOT IN DCS?  really?  Even Microsoft flight sim has this feature in both the 2020 and the latest 2024 version. 

The only adjustability of this is DCS is the POV slider in the options, which is by far inadequate it just does not work well for this and as soon as you zoom, the angles will be off again. The improper screen angles cause nausea while flying and make objects in the peripheral view appear either too far away or too close. This does not flow well with the perspective of what is in front as you are moving in the 3 dimensional virtual space. 

AGAIN, The Developpes of Microsoft Flight Simulator, 2020 and 2024, and most every racing game out there understand this, as they have this adjustability in their product. Because They know that Many if not a majority of simmers use 3 screens.  So WHY is it that the developers at Eagle dynamics don't get this this.  Eagle Dynamics does not know their customer base.

When I brought this up in a support request I was told that not enough people use this configuration for Eagle Dynamics to make a change to add this feature.  This is a B.S. patronizing answer from Eagle Dynamics support person, Alexander Maximov.   WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW what setup and how many screens your customers are using?   You have no clue.  STOP patronizing the people who buy your product and essentially provide your paycheck.  

I will also add that it is ridiculous of how many pieces of third party software you have to run while playing DCS, in order to make it palatable to the user because of the lack of features in DCS to support things like MFD screens and multimonitor, haptic feedback of bass shakers etc etc .. Again Eagle Dynamics does not know their customer base.

[rob10]

If you're so convinced that so many use multi-screen in ED maybe post a survey asking.  And look at the number of total respondents that actually have it vs the % that do use it (those who do are more likely to respond, so if 10 say yes and 5 say no that suggests very few total users actually use it).  Because while you think a majority use multi-screen I haven't seen any evidence that there are very many users just based on the total posts regarding it in the forums (even versus VR which is arguably no where near the majority of users).

[MAXsenna]

If you're so convinced that so many use multi-screen in ED maybe post a survey asking.  And look at the number of total respondents that actually have it vs the % that do use it (those who do are more likely to respond, so if 10 say yes and 5 say no that suggests very few total users actually use it).  Because while you think a majority use multi-screen I haven't seen any evidence that there are very many users just based on the total posts regarding it in the forums (even versus VR which is arguably no where near the majority of users).

C'mon Rob! Even if we are few, it would be a nice feature if we could adjust the angles in the GUI. The possibility is there. One just have to tinker with the monitor file.

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[MadKreator]

I don’t use triples, never have, probably never will.. but the feature is there( mostly) in DCS. I mean theres a pre-made monitor file just for triples.  To me that seems only logical to be able to adjust the perspective or angle of the adjacent screens . Or at least have a couple presets? Right now, at what angle are they intended to be placed? There had to be some frame of thought when they implemented the ability.. right? I think there are more issues in the fact that these things are only halfway done in the game. They gave the basics for it but never followed through to finish the work and make it useful. I’d be a bit ticked if I spent a few thousand dollars more and bought 2 more 48” oled screens to run triples, only to find out that they only work at 90 degrees to each other, or something ridiculous. And this is a view from someone who, again, does NOT use triple setups and has no intention of doing so. But it’s in the game so I’m just a firm believer that it  should work correctly. Not a huge ask I don’t think. 

[Trebor18320]

14 hours ago, MadKreator said:

I don’t use triples, never have, probably never will.. but the feature is there( mostly) in DCS. I mean theres a pre-made monitor file just for triples.  To me that seems only logical to be able to adjust the perspective or angle of the adjacent screens . Or at least have a couple presets? Right now, at what angle are they intended to be placed? There had to be some frame of thought when they implemented the ability.. right? I think there are more issues in the fact that these things are only halfway done in the game. They gave the basics for it but never followed through to finish the work and make it useful. I’d be a bit ticked if I spent a few thousand dollars more and bought 2 more 48” oled screens to run triples, only to find out that they only work at 90 degrees to each other, or something ridiculous. And this is a view from someone who, again, does NOT use triple setups and has no intention of doing so. But it’s in the game so I’m just a firm believer that it  should work correctly. Not a huge ask I don’t think. 

The so called pre made 3-screen .lua file does NOT cut it.  Using this file, You would need to place your monitors 90 degrees of each other to have the Propper perspective in the pilot seat.

16 hours ago, rob10 said:

If you're so convinced that so many use multi-screen in ED maybe post a survey asking.  And look at the number of total respondents that actually have it vs the % that do use it (those who do are more likely to respond, so if 10 say yes and 5 say no that suggests very few total users actually use it).  Because while you think a majority use multi-screen I haven't seen any evidence that there are very many users just based on the total posts regarding it in the forums (even versus VR which is arguably no where near the majority of users).

Maybe if your not interested in this feature and you would not use it due to your lack of equipment, Consider the fact that if it was added, it would NOT affect you either way. But for those of us who do have 3-screen, it is a MUST.  Go troll another post.

[MadKreator]

3 hours ago, Trebor18320 said:

The so called pre made 3-screen .lua file does NOT cut it.  Using this file, You would need to place your monitors 90 degrees of each other to have the Propper perspective in the pilot seat.

I was curious of that. I had heard that a 90 degree setup is how that monitor file works, but wasn’t 100% sure. Which of course makes no sense whatsoever! No one in the history of triple setups would have them positioned like that. 30-45 seems like it’d be much better.

[MAXsenna]

I was curious of that. I had heard that a 90 degree setup is how that monitor file works, but wasn’t 100% sure. Which of course makes no sense whatsoever! No one in the history of triple setups would have them positioned like that. 30-45 seems like it’d be much better.

I can't confirm, as I have not tested tripples myself, while numerous posts in this forum confirms that the default tripple screen selection is indeed meant to have the screens at 90°. One can edit the angles though, and even add the bezel size. Why on earth both values are not tweakable through the GUI already is just astonishing!
Kudos to all of you, participants, that tries to help people figuring this out. You all strives to make DCS a better place!

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[jonsky7]

On 12/6/2024 at 7:43 PM, Trebor18320 said:

When using the three 3-screen setup, the perspective angle of the two outer screens have no adjustability. This is a must have feature in any simulator.  Most every driving sim on the market has the ability to adjust and correct the angles when using 3 screens but NOT IN DCS?  really?  Even Microsoft flight sim has this feature in both the 2020 and the latest 2024 version. 

The only adjustability of this is DCS is the POV slider in the options, which is by far inadequate it just does not work well for this and as soon as you zoom, the angles will be off again. The improper screen angles cause nausea while flying and make objects in the peripheral view appear either too far away or too close. This does not flow well with the perspective of what is in front as you are moving in the 3 dimensional virtual space. 

AGAIN, The Developpes of Microsoft Flight Simulator, 2020 and 2024, and most every racing game out there understand this, as they have this adjustability in their product. Because They know that Many if not a majority of simmers use 3 screens.  So WHY is it that the developers at Eagle dynamics don't get this this.  Eagle Dynamics does not know their customer base.

When I brought this up in a support request I was told that not enough people use this configuration for Eagle Dynamics to make a change to add this feature.  This is a B.S. patronizing answer from Eagle Dynamics support person, Alexander Maximov.   WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW what setup and how many screens your customers are using?   You have no clue.  STOP patronizing the people who buy your product and essentially provide your paycheck.  

I will also add that it is ridiculous of how many pieces of third party software you have to run while playing DCS, in order to make it palatable to the user because of the lack of features in DCS to support things like MFD screens and multimonitor, haptic feedback of bass shakers etc etc .. Again Eagle Dynamics does not know their customer base.

Not sure if you are aware or not, but the view is adjustable, but not in the settings menu. You have to do that in the configuration file.

This is the default 3 camera config file,
DCS > Config > Monitorsetup > 3Cameras.lua 
 

If you are going to make adjustments, I suggest you copy the file to

Saved Games > DCS > Config > Monitorsetup > *name the file something different*
Also change the name inside the file, below it is called 3 Screen

To adjust the left/right angle, adjust the values of viewDx, negative values for left, positive for right, -1 = left 90deg, 1 = right 90deg
To adjust up/down, adjust the value of viewDy, negative values for down, positive for up, -1 = down 90deg, 1 = up 90deg

1 degree = 0.011112
30 deg = 0.33333
45 deg = 0.5

 

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_  = function(p) return p; end;
name = _('3 Screen');
Description = 'Configuration with 3 identical monitors each with its own camera'
Viewports = 
{
     Left = 
     {
          x = 0;
          y = 0;
          width = screen.width / 3;
          height = screen.height;
          viewDx = -1;
          viewDy = 0;
          aspect = screen.aspect / 3;
     },

     Center = 
     {
          x = screen.width / 3;
          y = 0;
          width = screen.width / 3;
          height = screen.height;
          viewDx = 0;
          viewDy = 0;
          aspect = screen.aspect / 3;
     },

     Right = 
     {
          x = screen.width * 2 / 3;
          y = 0;
          width = screen.width / 3;
          height = screen.height;
          viewDx = 1;
          viewDy = 0;
          aspect = screen.aspect / 3;
     }
}

UIMainView = Viewports.Center
GU_MAIN_VIEWPORT = Viewports.Center

You can also run 3 screens with the 1 camera file, this should give you a wide forward view
To do that, just adjust the resolution in the DCS settings menu to cover all 3 of your monitors

i.e. 11520x3184

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by jonsky7

[Trebor18320]

17 hours ago, jonsky7 said:

Not sure if you are aware or not, but the view is adjustable, but not in the settings menu. You have to do that in the configuration file.

This is the default 3 camera config file,
DCS > Config > Monitorsetup > 3Cameras.lua 
 

If you are going to make adjustments, I suggest you copy the file to

Saved Games > DCS > Config > Monitorsetup > *name the file something different*
Also change the name inside the file, below it is called 3 Screen

To adjust the left/right angle, adjust the values of viewDx, negative values for left, positive for right, -1 = left 90deg, 1 = right 90deg
To adjust up/down, adjust the value of viewDy, negative values for down, positive for up, -1 = down 90deg, 1 = up 90deg

1 degree = 0.011112
30 deg = 0.33333
45 deg = 0.5

 

You can also run 3 screens with the 1 camera file, this should give you a wide forward view
To do that, just adjust the resolution in the DCS settings menu to cover all 3 of your monitors

i.e. 11520x3184

 

Thank you for the input.  I have played with these settings in as you mentioned. It is a cumbersome pain tin the ass process to make changes to the .lua files, then go thru the long process of restarting DCS over and over again, just to see that the changes made things worse in most cases. This is the very reason that requested support from ED. They could and should provide better support for this within the menu.

[Trebor18320]

19 hours ago, MadKreator said:

I was curious of that. I had heard that a 90 degree setup is how that monitor file works, but wasn’t 100% sure. Which of course makes no sense whatsoever! No one in the history of triple setups would have them positioned like that. 30-45 seems like it’d be much better.

Exactly my point as well. Who would set up there sim pit with screens 90 deg of each other?  That's just stupid No one does this!  Why would the developers ED has it setup in such away that makes no sense.. Makes me wonder if they even use the product their developing.  Somewhere between 45 and 70 degrees would make far more sense, would it not? and for those who don't run triple screens,  They should most definitely try it.  It gives optimum FOV in any sim and is less intensive on the GPU than VR.  I have tried every setup, from a single screen then to using 3 projectors on a 270 deg curved screen, then to the Pimax Crystal VR.  Now I've settle on using three screens, with head tracking via tobii eye tracker.  All I'm asking for is for Eagle Dynamics to provide some better adjustability of screen angles for the 3-screen setup. And I get attacked on this forum by some  members and patronized by the ED support rep. Ridiculous!

[Trebor18320]

18 hours ago, jonsky7 said:

Not sure if you are aware or not, but the view is adjustable, but not in the settings menu. You have to do that in the configuration file.

This is the default 3 camera config file,
DCS > Config > Monitorsetup > 3Cameras.lua 
 

If you are going to make adjustments, I suggest you copy the file to

Saved Games > DCS > Config > Monitorsetup > *name the file something different*
Also change the name inside the file, below it is called 3 Screen

To adjust the left/right angle, adjust the values of viewDx, negative values for left, positive for right, -1 = left 90deg, 1 = right 90deg
To adjust up/down, adjust the value of viewDy, negative values for down, positive for up, -1 = down 90deg, 1 = up 90deg

1 degree = 0.011112
30 deg = 0.33333
45 deg = 0.5

 

You can also run 3 screens with the 1 camera file, this should give you a wide forward view
To do that, just adjust the resolution in the DCS settings menu to cover all 3 of your monitors

i.e. 11520x3184

 

Here is what ends up happening when you adjust the angle in the .lua files...  This is after adjusting Dx values to -.43 for the left and .43 for the right.  The angles do in fact change, but you can see why this is not the answer.  All I can say is, If the developers at ED don't want to add support for this they could at least provide instructions, on the popper way to adjust these angles in the .lua file without it end up looking like the picture below. 

At the end of the day, as a paying customer for ED, in the time I've been using DCS for flight sim, I've purchased all of all of the following from Eagle Dynamics:  KEEP IN MIND, Most of the modules I've purchased, I purchased not ONCE or TWICE, but THREE times over. Because, I have two sons that I've introduced to flight sim the DCS, fostering a younger crown of customers to Eagle Dynamics. 

The old and new version of Flaming Ciffs,  Combined Arms,  WWII Asset Pack,  Supercarrier,  A-10CII,  F-4E,  F-14,  F-15E,  F-16,  F-18,  UH-1H HEUY,  OH-58,  CH-47,   Fw 190 A-8,  Mosquito FB VI,  P-47D,  P-51D,  Spitfire LF MK. IX,  Afghanistan,   Iraq,  Sinai,  Persian Gulf,  Syria,  South Atlantic.

This adds up to several hundred dollars. I think i's fair to say, I've given Eagle Dynamics far more business than their average customer. Yet I don't feel there's any appreciation from Eagle dynamics when I ask for support. In fact on different support request for another issue, I was told by the ED support rep to post my request on the ED forum instead of using the support request.  Sounds to me like someone doesn't want to do their damn job. what is the point of the support request on ED website if your going to direct customers to the forum instead.

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by Trebor18320
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[MadKreator]

28 minutes ago, Trebor18320 said:

Exactly my point as well. Who would set up there sim pit with screens 90 deg of each other?  That's just stupid No one does this!  Why would the developers ED has it setup in such away that makes no sense.. Makes me wonder if they even use the product their developing.  Somewhere between 45 and 70 degrees would make far more sense, would it not? and for those who don't run triple screens,  They should most definitely try it.  It gives optimum FOV in any sim and is less intensive on the GPU than VR.  I have tried every setup, from a single screen then to using 3 projectors on a 270 deg curved screen, then to the Pimax Crystal VR.  Now I've settle on using three screens, with head tracking via tobii eye tracker.  All I'm asking for is for Eagle Dynamics to provide some better adjustability of screen angles for the 3-screen setup. And I get attacked on this forum by some  members and patronized by the ED support rep. Ridiculous!

I have always wanted to try it. Currently, lack of space hinders it.

Edited December 8, 2024 by MadKreator

[jonsky7]

4 hours ago, Trebor18320 said:

Here is what ends up happening when you adjust the angle in the .lua files...  This is after adjusting Dx values to -.43 for the left and .43 for the right.  The angles do in fact change, but you can see why this is not the answer.  All I can say is, If the developers at ED don't want to add support for this they could at least provide instructions, on the popper way to adjust these angles in the .lua file without it end up looking like the picture below. 

At the end of the day, as a paying customer for ED, in the time I've been using DCS for flight sim, I've purchased all of all of the following from Eagle Dynamics:  KEEP IN MIND, Most of the modules I've purchased, I purchased not ONCE or TWICE, but THREE times over. Because, I have two sons that I've introduced to flight sim the DCS, fostering a younger crown of customers to Eagle Dynamics. 

The old and new version of Flaming Ciffs,  Combined Arms,  WWII Asset Pack,  Supercarrier,  A-10CII,  F-4E,  F-14,  F-15E,  F-16,  F-18,  UH-1H HEUY,  OH-58,  CH-47,   Fw 190 A-8,  Mosquito FB VI,  P-47D,  P-51D,  Spitfire LF MK. IX,  Afghanistan,   Iraq,  Sinai,  Persian Gulf,  Syria,  South Atlantic.

This adds up to several hundred dollars. I think i's fair to say, I've given Eagle Dynamics far more business than their average customer. Yet I don't feel there's any appreciation from Eagle dynamics when I ask for support. In fact on different support request for another issue, I was told by the ED support rep to post my request on the ED forum instead of using the support request.  Sounds to me like someone doesn't want to do their damn job. what is the point of the support request on ED website if your going to direct customers to the forum instead.

 

Yeahhhhhh, that's not very good at all.

Totally understand your frustration, was just trying to help.

How does the 1 camera setup look, but with the resolution adjusted to include all 3 monitors? 

[Trebor18320]

12 minutes ago, jonsky7 said:

Yeahhhhhh, that's not very good at all.

Totally understand your frustration, was just trying to help.

How does the 1 camera setup look, but with the resolution adjusted to include all 3 monitors? 

So, The 1 camera is by default designed as a flat plane, all three screens would need to be straight inline with each other without any angle what so ever. or at 180 deg, vs the 90 deg setup of the 3-sccreen option..  I can't think of any scenario of a flight sim setup where either of these options are useful.  It boggles the mind as to why the developers have it this way.  I suspect some of them don't actually use the product their developing.. Likely just a bunch of paid programmers whose job is to write the code.

[jonsky7]

2 hours ago, Trebor18320 said:

So, The 1 camera is by default designed as a flat plane, all three screens would need to be straight inline with each other without any angle what so ever. or at 180 deg, vs the 90 deg setup of the 3-sccreen option..  I can't think of any scenario of a flight sim setup where either of these options are useful.  It boggles the mind as to why the developers have it this way.  I suspect some of them don't actually use the product their developing.. Likely just a bunch of paid programmers whose job is to write the code.

Well i would have thought you'd get a wider field of view. It's at least worth a try isn't it? 

[Trebor18320]

On 12/8/2024 at 6:23 PM, jonsky7 said:

Well i would have thought you'd get a wider field of view. It's at least worth a try isn't it? 

I'm using 3, 55" 4k 120 hz televisions. to place these in the correct orientation for the 1- screen view I would need a space over 10 feet wide. the point of the left and right screens is to fill the peripheral left and right side, so they need to be angled in at around 70 degrees or so.

[Trebor18320]

This is how 3-screem angle adjustability support is done in MSFS.   Why is it so much to ask for ta add similar adjustability in DCS???

[BIGNEWY]

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Please treat each other with respect, if you can not please do not post here 

 

Regarding the monitor request it is something we may consider for the future but we have no news to share currently. 

thank you