Sounds like Quest 3 is best value for DCS VR at the moment? (Current Reverb G2)

[CybrSlydr]

40 minutes ago, Aapje said:

To be honest, I think that you are going to have a hard time finding a replacement that you will like with that mindset. Tweaking is a pretty common need and you didn't seem to have taken advantage of available resources, choosing to use trial and error instead. Having lots of those resources available is one of the benefits of the headset.

The need for 3rd part accessories has benefits as well, because it means that you can tune things to your liking. I would argue that the price reflects this and you should just factor in some accessories into the price.

 

You may be right.  

I did submit my G2 receipt to Pimax - I'm considering given the Crystal Light a go. 

Maybe the Quest 3 just caught me on a bad day and I didn't give it a fair shake.

[CybrSlydr]

Thought I'd share this as I was approved for the $80 G2 conversion with Pimax.

It's not an $80 discount, it's a tag you put on your order that will get you an $80 refund at a later date.

1. Place Your Order: Use the code "" at checkout. The email address you submitted is already linked to this code.

2. Order Tagging: The code "" will tag your order as part of the G2 Upgrade Event. Please note: this is not a discount code, it won't directly reduce the price at checkout.

3. $80 Refund: All G2 event orders in January will receive an $80 refund on February 15th.

I also believe I read that the G2 event requires you to make the purchase before March 31st.

Edited January 23 by CybrSlydr

[diego999]

Good luck. I hope you get the Pimax lottery and receive a good headset. There are horror stories on this very forum. 

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, CybrSlydr said:

Thought I'd share this as I was approved for the $80 G2 conversion with Pimax.

It's not an $80 discount, it's a tag you put on your order that will get you an $80 refund at a later date.

1. Place Your Order: Use the code "" at checkout. The email address you submitted is already linked to this code.

2. Order Tagging: The code "" will tag your order as part of the G2 Upgrade Event. Please note: this is not a discount code, it won't directly reduce the price at checkout.

3. $80 Refund: All G2 event orders in January will receive an $80 refund on February 15th.

I also believe I read that the G2 event requires you to make the purchase before March 31st.

Well that's interesting. Typical Pimax fashion, take something simple and straight forward, commonly understood, and twist it into a clusterfk, just like the "membership" financing nonsense. They need to come up with agreed-upon language, either its a discount or it's a refund...market it accordingly and honestly.

[CybrSlydr]

39 minutes ago, diego999 said:

Good luck. I hope you get the Pimax lottery and receive a good headset. There are horror stories on this very forum. 

I'm not exactly sold on getting one precisely because of those stories.  Lol

Figured I'd apply for the... whayever it is and make up my mind later.

[CybrSlydr]

You all convinced me to give the Quest 3 another shot, so I went back to BB and bought another one.  lol  

I promise to give it at least the whole weekend before I return it again. 

I also ordered that Syntech cable, should be here Sunday.

What is the BoboVR face thingy you speak of?  I don't see anything that says face interface - https://www.bobovr.com/collections/quest-3-accessories?srsltid=AfmBOoo6BxXqPcidULqsjlFFFNJQX-zhPR5S2D1zzUZNapyZeF8UF8CO

Edited January 24 by CybrSlydr

[diego999]

Good decision.

Don't rush with the facial interfase thing. Try the stock one for some days and maybe you'll get used to it. For me it's workable, not amazing, but decent.

The stock strap, on the other hand, is garbage. It's always giving you the sensation of being about to fall off your face. There you have multiple good priced options.

[CybrSlydr]

Ok - so get this.  The Autopilot in the F-16 doesn't work when I use the Quest 3.

The switches move (both moving them on the WinWing HOTAS I have and clicking them in game) but the autopilot doesn't engage.

EDIT:  Ok - looks like the air refuel door somehow got bound to my NWS button...  Let's see if that works.

Edited January 24 by CybrSlydr

[CybrSlydr]

Changing the slider to 1.2 and increasing to 720 really seems to have helped the text readability.  I'm also trying DLSS and after takeoff, I can consistently get 72fps in a Liberation mission.

Tomorrow I'll try the Apache.

[EightyDuce]

12 hours ago, CybrSlydr said:

Changing the slider to 1.2 and increasing to 720 really seems to have helped the text readability.  I'm also trying DLSS and after takeoff, I can consistently get 72fps in a Liberation mission.

Tomorrow I'll try the Apache.

Good stuff. You definitely need to take your time. Took me about a week of messing with everything to kind of dial things in; especially with Virtual Desktop in the mix.

 

If you're going DLSS route, I would recommend trying new DLSS 4 dll with Profile J (transformer), seems to help with clarity over previous G, E, F profiles. 

[Phantom711]

@CybrSlydr

If you want better graphics quality, try DLAA without DLSS. 
But of course DLSS might be a good compromise with regards to performance.

[Aapje]

19 hours ago, CybrSlydr said:

What is the BoboVR face thingy you speak of?  I don't see anything that says face interface - https://www.bobovr.com/collections/quest-3-accessories?srsltid=AfmBOoo6BxXqPcidULqsjlFFFNJQX-zhPR5S2D1zzUZNapyZeF8UF8CO

He was referring to their headstrap, not the facial interface. Those are two different accessoires.

With regard to a replacement headstrap, the two major choices are halo style or elite style, and extra battery or not. Halo-style means that the headset rests mostly or fully on your forehead, which makes the headset more 'floaty' and thus less stable, but takes the pressure off your face. Elite-style squishes the headset to your face from the back. What you prefer is extremely subjective. It depends on your face shape, what you find most comfortable, etc. I personally like the stability of elite and the pressure doesn't bother me, but others swear by a halo.

BoboVR is known for their top tier halo straps, but the pricing of the latest version is rather extreme. There are a lot of companies who make straps and a lot of them are quite good, even fairly cheap ones. There are reviews all over the place.

If you get a headstrap with an additional battery, you can plug that battery into your headset, so you can run fully wireless for longer. A battery on the rear also helps balance out the headset, which can make it more comfortable, even if the total weight increases. Some variants have hotswappable batteries, so you can effectively play forever, if you have enough spares, or toss the batteries on the charger during play.

I would advise the AMVR Q3FC3 facial interface if you want to upgrade that, but as the other person said, the standard facial interface is a lot less crappy than the standard head strap. But if you spend a lot of time in the headset, then 40 bucks for a good facial interface is not expensive compared to how much it gains you. But you can easily wait a while to first see if you really get on with it.

Edited January 24 by Aapje

[diego999]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

With regard to a replacement headstrap, the two major choices are halo style or elite style, and extra battery or not. Halo-style means that the headset rests mostly or fully on your forehead, which makes the headset more 'floaty' and thus less stable, but takes the pressure off your face. Elite-style squishes the headset to your face from the back. What you prefer is extremely subjective. It depends on your face shape, what you find most comfortable, etc. I personally like the stability of elite and the pressure doesn't bother me, but others swear by a halo.

 

Tried an elite strap and the sensation was amazing, but I could not tolerate the pressure in my head after 30 minutes or so. I had to return to the halo against my will. 

 

 

[CybrSlydr]

So, what do I do about microstuttering?  Randomly, regardless of the FPS, when I move my head, the picture stutters.  

[CybrSlydr]

I just got the Syntech cable - Meta Link is telling me it's only 2.9GBPs bandwidth.  I dropped the bitrate in Debug to 500 (was 720), see if that helps the stutters.  ASW is on Auto (was disabled).  

EDIT:  Just went and put the bitrate back to 720 and disabled ASW - dunno what I did, but man...  Whatever it was was giving me nausea!  Hope this fixes it.

Edited January 26 by CybrSlydr

[Roosterfeet]

Make sure hardware GPU scheduling is disabled. That eliminated the stuttering with ASW enabled for me. 2.9 GB/s should be plenty.

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, CybrSlydr said:

I just got the Syntech cable - Meta Link is telling me it's only 2.9GBPs bandwidth.  I dropped the bitrate in Debug to 500 (was 720), see if that helps the stutters.  ASW is on Auto (was disabled).  

EDIT:  Just went and put the bitrate back to 720 and disabled ASW - dunno what I did, but man...  Whatever it was was giving me nausea!  Hope this fixes it.

If I remember right it's what mine was. Max Q3 can push is 960mbps anyway.

Depending on your hardware you may or may not be able to encode/decode at that rate; I started at 400 and stopped at 800. Then switched to VD lol...

[CybrSlydr]

13 hours ago, EightyDuce said:

If I remember right it's what mine was. Max Q3 can push is 960mbps anyway.

Depending on your hardware you may or may not be able to encode/decode at that rate; I started at 400 and stopped at 800. Then switched to VD lol...

That's what you posted earlier in the thread, so that's what I went with.

4080, 7800x3D, 64GB.

[Aapje]

It probably depends on your videocard and perhaps also CPU how high you can push it. That reminds me that I should try to push it further, since I never tried again after updating my GPU.

[Cgjunk2]

On 1/26/2025 at 4:43 PM, Roosterfeet said:

Make sure hardware GPU scheduling is disabled. That eliminated the stuttering with ASW enabled for me. 2.9 GB/s should be plenty.

Can you explain where this setting is?   I also have a problem with stuttering head-tracking (which is a different problem than stuttering frame rate).  

[diego999]

13 hours ago, Cgjunk2 said:

Can you explain where this setting is?   I also have a problem with stuttering head-tracking (which is a different problem than stuttering frame rate).  

 

My Windows is in spanish but you get the idea.

Edited January 29 by diego999

[Guest]

On 1/22/2025 at 3:17 PM, EightyDuce said:

Glad you were at least able to give it a shot, best way to know is to try.

Funny that you mention QuadViews Foveated Rendering. I think its perfect for G2 because of such a small sweet spot, your peripheral vision is always pretty crap so you don't even notice the reduced quality. On Q3 with that gigantic sweet spot and QuadViews enabled the reduced peripheral was hella distracting. Thankfully 4090 has been able to pull steady 72 fps with my desired settings without QuadViews.

As for the text, out of curiosity did you use AirLink, cable or Virtual Desktop? I ask because to me, text was clearer with Quest 3 via VD AV1 encoder than I had native with my G2.

 

Hi EightyDuce,

brand new (one day old) to Q3, had a G2.  Have purchased a 5Gbps capable USB-C cable, the test doesn't seem to budge from 2.6Gbps.  My MoBo spec says it should do 5Gbps.

Text on MFD's unreadable unless I move my head very close to them.  I am running Link via cable, but am confused by various comments on Virtual Desktop.  Is this not only helpful for wireless?  My WiFi here only does 1Gbps, so assume the cable will always be better.  Haven't changed any DCS settings yet.  Q3 setup changed to 90FPS.  

Are you suggesting that your best results came from using VD and this 'AV1 encoder'?  If yes, can you please post a link to one?

Thanks for any help you and others can offer.

'52

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, Gunslinger52 said:

Hi EightyDuce,

brand new (one day old) to Q3, had a G2.  Have purchased a 5Gbps capable USB-C cable, the test doesn't seem to budge from 2.6Gbps.  My MoBo spec says it should do 5Gbps.

Text on MFD's unreadable unless I move my head very close to them.  I am running Link via cable, but am confused by various comments on Virtual Desktop.  Is this not only helpful for wireless?  My WiFi here only does 1Gbps, so assume the cable will always be better.  Haven't changed any DCS settings yet.  Q3 setup changed to 90FPS.  

Are you suggesting that your best results came from using VD and this 'AV1 encoder'?  If yes, can you please post a link to one?

Thanks for any help you and others can offer.

'52

With the link, I've tried two cables, both unofficial and neither read above 2.9Gbps. Never tried official cable. For clarity, I would try bump render resolution in QuestLink to 1.3-1.5 and in quest debug tools up the encoding bitrate, force somewhere between 400-800 (will depend on your hardware). Think someone described this process above. I honestly haven't messed around too much with the link as I got better results with Virtual Desktop using AV1 encoder at 200mbps.

Not sure what you mean by posting a link to one, but AV1 encoding is part of Virtual Desktop, along with HEVC, h264+ etc. I also have my headset connected via Ethernet instead of wireless to eliminate any issues with a wireless connection. I had occasional hiccups over wireless even on WiFi 6E, but plenty of folks here don't have issues (some have dedicated 6E routers). 

[CybrSlydr]

I've been launching the game through Meta Link - how do I tell if Link is launching the regular .exe or the multi-thread .exe?

[EightyDuce]

18 minutes ago, CybrSlydr said:

I've been launching the game through Meta Link - how do I tell if Link is launching the regular .exe or the multi-thread .exe?

I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but DCS defaults to MT from the launcher.