Carl_infar Posted January 21 Posted January 21 As we are getting now a F35 with FM based on fluid dynamics, airshow data, anegdotal pilots memories/feelings. Systems at least in some part based on prodcuers advertisment plus the guesstimations. (same goes for the rcs) Could we get a J20 based on similar guesstimations? I get that the SU57 due to ED being partly Russia based is not possible, but as non of the ED is china based (DEKA is 3rd part not ED itslef) there shouldnt be issues related to that.
F-2 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Not at all likely though an AI asset would be cool. Quite a few papers on Aero, RCS studies and the general characteristics of the radar is known. Early batch used an al31f variant 2
F-2 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 https://html.rhhz.net/KQDLXXB/2022-01-1.htm J-20 AoA paper last image is supposedly the J-20 radar 1
Tank50us Posted January 22 Posted January 22 As an AI asset, or LowFid aircraft, it's certainly doable. But as a FullFid aircraft? It's highly unlikely due to the fact that the Chinese Communist Party, like the Russian Federation, has actual laws that prevent depictions other than what is "Party Approved". As I've said in other places: If someone were to model an Su30 in a way that isn't approved by the Governments of the aforementioned, it could result in Devs getting arrested if they ever go there, or worse. That being said, I'd love to swat J20s from the sky. Let the Kid off the leash against them.
bies Posted January 22 Posted January 22 As other guys said, a flayable one would be completely fictional fairy tale, having nothing in common with the real one except dor the external 3d model. Everything would be totally made up, avionics, weapons, performance, logic, HOTAS. Not even close in terms of realism to old simplified Flamming Cliffs F-15 and MiG-29. J-20 has nothing to do with mass produced, by open producer, by open nation, publically presented dozens of times F-35. 1
Carl_infar Posted January 22 Author Posted January 22 1 hour ago, bies said: As other guys said, a flayable one would be completely fictional fairy tale, having nothing in common with the real one except dor the external 3d model. Everything would be totally made up, avionics, weapons, performance, logic, HOTAS. So generally on similar level as f35 will be: Guesswork, advertisement fantasies & anecdotal (restricred by goverments) testimonies . Of course u can belive what u want but practically it will be as described above
bies Posted January 22 Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, Carl_infar said: So generally on similar level as f35 will be: Guesswork, advertisement fantasies & anecdotal (restricred by goverments) testimonies . Of course u can belive what u want but practically it will be as described above I understand your frustration, but no, it's not the same. Not even close. And i'm not even an enthusiast of F-35 in DCS, being as sceptical as many other guys. F-35 and J-20 documantation availability is on a completely different level. J-20 is like F-22 - Chinese exclusive totally classified air superiority fighter, and more then a decade more recent, in a completely closed country. So good luck. And even F-22 in DCS at this moment would be impossible. (contrarly to export highly open F-35) And just ask yourself - would flying and fighting in 100% made up J-20 where nothing, avionics, weapons, cockpit, HOTAS, performance, sensors etc. - not even remotely resembling real jet? 1
F-2 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 https://web.archive.org/web/20171024100225/http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=1459 Quote AL-31F M2 engine contemplated by OKB Sukhogo (Sukhoi Design Bureau) 28 February 2012, Moscow – Technical experts gathered at FSUE “Gas-Turbine Engineering RPC “Salut” for a conference to review the results of Salut's R&D; efforts towards implementing the 2nd Phase of the AL-31F engine modernization (known as AL-31F M2). OKB Sukhogo is showing interest in the engine upgrade to pursue the repowering program of Su-27SM and Su-34 aircraft of the Russian Air Force. The R&D; appraisal meeting – the first one after a five years' pause – saw the participation of all the parties concerned: “OKB “Sukhogo”, “Lyulka NTTs”, “United Aircraft Corporation” and “United Engine-Building Corporation”. The project status report was presented by Sergey Rodyuk, who noted that all the activities for the second phase of the engine upgrade had been in close adherence to the specified timeframes. The special program of the 2nd phase engine bench tests in the climatic test facility at TsIAM has by now been completed with the results demonstrating the engine's capability of attaining 14 500 kgf of static thrust and proving its design performance parameters in flight conditions. Compared with the first-phase AL-31FM, the latest iteration has a 9% higher thrust during flight operation. “The overall engine size will be subject to no trade-offs so as to keep the AL-31F upgrade conveniently suited for re-engining of the whole inventory of Su-27 aircraft without any additional airframe and engine nacelle modifications.” - said Gennady Skirdov, Salut's acting General Designer. It is planned to have the program of special test-bench and endurance tests accomplished before the end of 2012 and go ahead with the special flight tests, which precede the state certification tests. Vladislav Masalov, Director General of Salut, said that the full-scale deliveries of upgraded engines could be started as early as 2013. “The AL-31F M2 engine can be a not so expensive solution for re-engining of Su-27, Su-30 and Su-34 fleet now operated by the Russian military and is likewise deliverable to foreign customers,” noted Director General. The technical specifications and requirements of Su-27SM and Su-34 aircraft call for the engines with increased thrust and improved fuel consumption with the AL-31F M2 fulfilling these requisites. The installation can be performed without any rework of the aircraft and take place in field conditions. Relevant tips: AL-31F M2 engine is a by-pass turbojet derived from the AL-31F propulsion system. The engine thrust at special power setting is 14 500 kgf. The specified life of the upgraded engine exceeds 3 000 hours. The engine features minimal differences with Series 3, 20 and 23 while offering enhanced propulsion performance characteristics with reduced specific fuel consumption, including at unaugmented power settings. Does not require airframe rework if installed on Su-27, Su-30 and Su-34 aircraft to replace the older engine Series. The upgrading can take place when overhauling the earlier versions of engines. The re-engining makes for improved flight and operational performance of aircraft through enhancement of parameters and abolishing the oxygen-charging system. A better control accuracy and diagnosing efficiency are to provide additional benefits. Some stuff on the ws-10 variant I’ll post later when I go through my article collection 2
Carl_infar Posted January 22 Author Posted January 22 3 hours ago, bies said: I understand your frustration, but no, it's not the same. Not even close. And i'm not even an enthusiast of F-35 in DCS, being as sceptical as many other guys. F-35 and J-20 documantation availability is on a completely different level. J-20 is like F-22 - Chinese exclusive totally classified air superiority fighter, and more then a decade more recent, in a completely closed country. So good luck. And even F-22 in DCS at this moment would be impossible. (contrarly to export highly open F-35) And just ask yourself - would flying and fighting in 100% made up J-20 where nothing, avionics, weapons, cockpit, HOTAS, performance, sensors etc. - not even remotely resembling real jet? U can deceive yourself as much as u want that the dcs f 35 will be within shouting distance to the actual one. It ll be exact same fantasy extrapolation as j20 could be. So personally I'd fly both those fantasies
bies Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Carl_infar said: U can deceive yourself as much as u want that the dcs f 35 will be within shouting distance to the actual one. It ll be exact same fantasy extrapolation as j20 could be. So personally I'd fly both those fantasies Okay, Buddy. Whatever you say... 1
F-2 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2022/11/27/j-20-radar-scattering-simulation/ 1
upyr1 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, F-2 said: https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2022/11/27/j-20-radar-scattering-simulation/ Thanks. I hope you can find enough open-source data for an official J-20 module that would be so awesome to accompany the F-35. Heck even an AI J-20 would be awesome Edited January 23 by upyr1 1
F-2 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 29 minutes ago, upyr1 said: Thanks. I hope you can find enough open-source data for an official J-20 module that would be so awesome to accompany the F-35. Heck even an AI J-20 would be awesome Thank you. I don’t think a J-20 module is plausible but my hope was J-10 module and J-20 AI asset. 1
upyr1 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, F-2 said: Thank you. I don’t think a J-20 module is plausible but my hope was J-10 module and J-20 AI asset. The J-10 is way more plausible than the J-20, but if there is anything to learn from the F-35 modules that is don't assume there isn't enough open-source data until you look. The J-10 would be awesome 1 1
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