Which card to buy?

[qwksi1]

For the last 2 years I have played DCS on 4090/Vive Pro 2. I recently sold my 4090 before the reviews intending on moving to 5090/Pimax Super. After the 5090 reviews I think there is no way it is going to be able to push the Pimax Super to frame rates that justify the $4000 USD investment. As a stopgap card I bought an RX 6800, and it plays 3000x3000 per eye at 45 fps on multiplayer with no AA or FSR enabled. 

I have been impressed with the rx6800. There is some kind of frame jittering issue (don't know the technical term) which is cleaned up in DCS and IL2 by opening and closing the map or a menu. 

I think I have decided on keeping my Vive Pro 2. I am deciding between a 7900xtx for the vram or 5080. I am asking this here because I have little experience with AMD VR. I do not think I want to buy 5090 as I don't think it is worth it for my use case. 

Any thoughts on 5080 vs 7900xtx?

[Nightdare]

I would think that, regardless my personal views, the 5080 is a step up from the 4080 super, which was already trading equal blows with the XTX7900

With the 5080, you're getting GDDR7, +/- 50% faster than GDDR6X, which was +/- 25% faster than GDDR6

The 4080 super 16gb GDDR6X/256 bus was already not a problem vs the XTX normal 24gb GDDR6/384 bus in performance

[qwksi1]

To be clear, I am concerned about the specific use case of DCS VR at 3000x3000 per eye. I don't care about any other game performance. Do you still think the 5080 will be a better performer than 7900xtx? I kind of agree that it's probably very close or in Nvidia favor due to the driver and frame generation tech that Nvidia has. I was a 'never AMD' for VR guy until last month when I tried my rx6800. 

Also the cost is 850-950 for amd and 1000-1200 for 5080. I'd like to buy today or tomorrow on AMD if that's what I decide as the supply is drying up.

Edited January 29 by qwksi1

[EightyDuce]

26 minutes ago, qwksi1 said:

For the last 2 years I have played DCS on 4090/Vive Pro 2. I recently sold my 4090 before the reviews intending on moving to 5090/Pimax Super. After the 5090 reviews I think there is no way it is going to be able to push the Pimax Super to frame rates that justify the $4000 USD investment. As a stopgap card I bought an RX 6800, and it plays 3000x3000 per eye at 45 fps on multiplayer with no AA or FSR enabled. 

I have been impressed with the rx6800. There is some kind of frame jittering issue (don't know the technical term) which is cleaned up in DCS and IL2 by opening and closing the map or a menu. 

I think I have decided on keeping my Vive Pro 2. I am deciding between a 7900xtx for the vram or 5080. I am asking this here because I have little experience with AMD VR. I do not think I want to buy 5090 as I don't think it is worth it for my use case. 

Any thoughts on 5080 vs 7900xtx?

Recently leaked from Igor's labs.

Alleged 7-10% uplift 5080 from 7900xtx. This is at 1440p not 4K. 

[CptBligh]

When I had my Reverb I used a 6900XT and it worked well at the time.  My Reverb died a year ago so I upgraded to a Varjo Aero that I found out the hard way only supported nvidia cards, so 4080 Super it was as I didn't want to pay $2000 for a 4090 that late into it's run.

I think 7900XTX or 4080 Super would be a good option if prices decline before stock runs out once the 5080 is available.  The 5080 performance doesn't seem worth it what it will cost relatively IMO.

[boedha68]

Going for the RTX 5090 Fastest card of the world. 

[qwksi1]

Well I guess I am waiting, because the 7900xtx I was looking at went up $60 as soon as the 5080 reviews went up as Amazon sold out. The 7900xtx went up in price pretty much across the board an hour after I started this thread.

Edited January 29 by qwksi1

[EightyDuce]

37 minutes ago, qwksi1 said:

Well I guess I am waiting, because the 7900xtx I was looking at went up $60 as soon as the 5080 reviews went up as Amazon sold out. The 7900xtx went up in price pretty much across the board an hour after I started this thread.

At that price might as well buy the 5080, get somewhat newer architecture, better ray tracing and DLSS4.

[qwksi1]

11 minutes ago, EightyDuce said:

At that price might as well buy the 5080, get somewhat newer architecture, better ray tracing and DLSS4.

All The Way!

[Hippo]

8 hours ago, qwksi1 said:

I recently sold my 4090

 

8 hours ago, qwksi1 said:

I do not think I want to buy 5090

Like you, I sold my 4090 some months ago because of a change in circumstances and I managed to get back a large part of what I paid for it.  I had always intended to go 5090 eventually.  As circumstances changed again I have a stopgap PC based on a 3080Ti.  And boy do I miss the 4090.

Now, however, I am very likely going to try my luck at getting hold of a 5090 tomorrow, even though the timing isn't ideal.  Why?

I intend to buy one eventually, so I might as well get it now and make use of it immediately, I don't see prices going down anytime soon.  This may be the only opportunity to grab one for some time.

It's going to be the most powerful GPU available for at least another two years, and for VR, no matter the headset, you can always use that power.  It'll be the only game in town.

If I had to choose between the cards you asked about I'd go 5080, but I'd always be regretting not having gone for the 5090.

8 hours ago, qwksi1 said:

at 45 fps on multiplayer with no AA

Having said all that DCS without AA is imho not acceptable, and I can't be doing with reprojection.  No, just no. 

 

 

 

Edited January 29 by Hippo

[SimHog]

While everyone's circumstances, wants and needs are different, I feel the new 50XX series isn't a worthwhile upgrade if you still have a 4090 / 4080, just based on pure performance numbers that are coming out, and that DLSS 4 is set to be made available on previous RTX generation cards.

Personally I skip generations, and l'm still on a 3090, so I’m looking to upgrade both GPU and to a new VR headset - thanks MS for removing MR support from windows - NAWT.

The 5090 is the GPU I'm aiming for, from what I've seen, it should be able run 8k+ VR quite comfortably.

As side from that, there's no 4090's available from my local retailers I buy from, and the asking price for used 4090's / 4080's is just as crazy at the moment.

Edited January 29 by SimHog

[Hippo]

 

[CptBligh]

I saw this posted on techpowerup but I haven't verified the numbers.  Pretty sad if true and I remember my 1070 matching the 980Ti.

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This is the also the FIRST x80 generation ever where the new generation x80 card failed to dethrone the previous flagship (x80TI/x90).

GTX 980 was 11% faster than the GTX 780TI
GTX 1080 was 31% faster than the GTX 980TI
GTX 2080 was 9% faster than the GTX 1080TI
RTX 3080 was 36% faster than the RTX 2080TI
RTX 4080 was 30% faster than the RTX 3090
RTX 5080 is 11.4% slower than the RTX 4090

 

Edited January 30 by CptBligh

[Aapje]

46 minutes ago, SimHog said:

Personally I skip generations, and l'm still on a 3090, so I’m looking to upgrade both GPU and to a new VR headset - thanks MS for removing MR support from windows - NAWT.

If you compare the gains from the previous generation to those of this gen, then you should probably skip even more than one generation to get the same gains, that you got in the past by skipping one gen.

I think that in hindsight, this will be seen as one of the worst, if not the worst generation to upgrade to (other than the 30-series cards at the mining boom prices). There is a decent chance that next years refresh will be much better, especially if they then put 3 GB modules on the cards. Even if they don't, it is hard to imagine that the 5000 Super cards will have a smaller price/performance gain than these cards. And the 3 GB modules will surely be on the 60-series, and that gen should use a truly new node, so the performance improvement of that gen is surely going to be better..

The only redeeming feature of this generation that I see is the small price drop for the 5070 and 5070 Ti. Otherwise there is very little to recommend this generation:

• The price/performance improvement is tiny
• No VRAM increase other than the 5090
• The new multi-frame generation is the weakest of any of the new features that they've released in years past
• A tiny efficiency improvement

[Swiso]

I'm with a 3090Ti and reserved a Crystal Super with the intention of upgrading the GPU too to 5090 for my first VR set.

No thanks...I will wait for better times. 

[SimHog]

12 minutes ago, Aapje said:

• No VRAM increase other than the 5090

Yup - such a dumb move by nvidia IMO.

[SimHog]

7 minutes ago, Swiso said:

I'm with a 3090Ti and reserved a Crystal Super with the intention of upgrading the GPU too to 5090 for my first VR set.

No thanks...I will wait for better times. 

With that card, and the Super's native resolution, you may struggle.

 

[Swiso]

1 minute ago, SimHog said:

With that card, and the Super's native resolution, you may struggle.

 

I payed just 1$ for the reservation right for the Super.

I abandoned the idea.... I will remain with the 4K display for the time being...

[Panzerlang]

5 minutes ago, SimHog said:

With that card, and the Super's native resolution, you may struggle.

 

It'll struggle even with a 5090, especially as any CPU in DCS will bottleneck the crap out of it.

I've ordered the Super purely for the 135-degree FOV (yeah, lol, we'll see) and intend to down-sample it to OG Crystal territory for my 4090. IF the 5090, at some far distant mythical time, becomes available at a fair price, I might buy one. Just for the VR overhead in other games (IL2).

[Wali763]

Im aiming for 90fps for my G2 and since the RX6950XT I was able to reach this for the most part on Caucasus and PG, but with some stutters inbetween . With the RX6950XT I had to compromise heavily on the graphics side with eg 55% OpenXR-resolution.

When I got  the 4090 I was able to increase graphic settings (75% OpenXRresolution,  2xMSAA, medium Textures and  shadows  etc) and  get my desired 90fps on all maps, except over large cities. Even low over Beirut I can now do the 90fps.

Now to what I want to say. If I would get the 5090, I could up the graphics even more. But I guess, if I were to compare the result with my current settings, the difference would be minor. The difference between high textues and med textures are not very big, same for clouds, etc. The most noticable difference would be high water since Im still on low and the higher visibility range maybe too. 

Overall the picture would get a bit sharper and detailed, with a tiny degree less shimmering. But this would never justify for me the enormous costs of the 5090, also since the CPU-limits were still there. With a higher resolution HMD this of course might be different. But since PImax proved unsuitable for me, Ill have to wait anyway.

Its as in many other areas, where going from (as an example OpenXR resolution) 50% to 65% is a big difference, from 65% to 80% still an noticable one but from 80% to 95% there is hardly one difference it all, and all above renders almost no difference, why still asking for a big chuck of GPU-power.

I rather set my hopes on Vulcan, which should  be around the corner and which hopefully will resolve the ominous CPU-bottleneck completly. 

Anyway, prices are going into an insane direction IMO. Asus has an offering (Astral OC) with an pricetag of 2800$ which will translate into about 3200Euros. Thats exactly double the price, I paid for my 4090! Id rather save the money and invest that into a second (offroadcabable) motorcycle.

 

Edited January 30 by Wali763

[MichaelJWP15]

I was on the Nvidia website at 2pm hoping to get a 5080 FE, refreshing every so often. It showed initially "Coming Soon" but after a few minutes that changed to "Out of Stock".. They must have sold out in seconds! Oh well, think I will stick to my 4070 for now, I'm not paying the inflated prices for 3rd party cards.

[Qcumber]

11 minutes ago, MichaelJWP15 said:

I was on the Nvidia website at 2pm hoping to get a 5080 FE, refreshing every so often. It showed initially "Coming Soon" but after a few minutes that changed to "Out of Stock".. They must have sold out in seconds! Oh well, think I will stick to my 4070 for now, I'm not paying the inflated prices for 3rd party cards.

Me too. I was on NVIDIA and Scan and kept refreshing but could not get access to an "add to basket" button. Scan are offering some at MSRP (£979) but now out of stock!!

[Hippo]

There was me thinking I might be able to nab a 5090, hah.  There's always ebay though; double hah!  Maybe in a few months' time...

Edited January 30 by Hippo

[Blackhawk163]

sad part is that someone will buy that 

[Aapje]

4 hours ago, MichaelJWP15 said:

I was on the Nvidia website at 2pm hoping to get a 5080 FE, refreshing every so often. It showed initially "Coming Soon" but after a few minutes that changed to "Out of Stock".. They must have sold out in seconds! Oh well, think I will stick to my 4070 for now, I'm not paying the inflated prices for 3rd party cards.

Often these sites reserve the card when people enter the transaction, so then the only thing that is needed is that 12 people start the procedure, or however many cards were available online.

This also means that the cards can come back in stock if people back out of the transaction.