Reflected Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Does anyone have an original 109K handbook in pdf? I found a couple online but they're all focusing on how to take the plane apart rather than the startup/ takeoff/ landing procedures. Thanks! 1 Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
d0ppler Posted January 31 Posted January 31 My german is rather poor, but I think you got some useful info here: https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/bf-109-k-4-handbook-and-db-605-dm-engine.58441/ Check out the documents m13katyusa2020 have attached. 2nd reply. A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
Reflected Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 23 minutes ago, d0ppler said: My german is rather poor, but I think you got some useful info here: https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/bf-109-k-4-handbook-and-db-605-dm-engine.58441/ Check out the documents m13katyusa2020 have attached. 2nd reply. Thanks, I've seen these, but it seems all of them are about the structure and assembly. I haven't found anything about the procedures. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
Slippa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 This any good to ya? http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/techref/manuals/bf109g3.pdf
Reflected Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 33 minutes ago, Slippa said: This any good to ya? http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/techref/manuals/bf109g3.pdf Thanks, but this doesn't have anything about procedures either. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
Slippa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 You had me looking around earlier. Thought I might have one on the bookshelf but no. They are around, go for under a tenner here. Good luck.
Reflected Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 21 minutes ago, Slippa said: You had me looking around earlier. Thought I might have one on the bookshelf but no. They are around, go for under a tenner here. Good luck. Can you tell me where I can get one? I'm happy to pay as long as I'm sure it's the version I need, that is, with the procedures. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
Cunctator Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) Luftfahrt Archiv Hafner has the most comprehensive collection of scanned German WW2 era manuals for sale (all in German). What you are looking for is called "Bedienungs-Vorschrift Flugzeugführer" or "Bedienungs-Karte für den Flugzeugführer", the short version. This are the equivalentgs to English Pilot's manuals. As you have noticed German aircraft manuals, Flugzeughandbuch, are for maintenance stuff. https://luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de Edited January 31 by Cunctator 2
Gadreel Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The only one with procedures I found: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/techref/manuals/bf109e.pdf 1 1
Slippa Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Just a quick look found me this one https://www.crecy.co.uk/pilot-s-notes-messerschmitt-me-109 1 1
IIIJG52_Otto_ Posted February 3 Posted February 3 (edited) On 1/31/2025 at 12:58 PM, Cunctator said: Luftfahrt Archiv Hafner has the most comprehensive collection of scanned German WW2 era manuals for sale (all in German). What you are looking for is called "Bedienungs-Vorschrift Flugzeugführer" or "Bedienungs-Karte für den Flugzeugführer", the short version. This are the equivalentgs to English Pilot's manuals. As you have noticed German aircraft manuals, Flugzeughandbuch, are for maintenance stuff. https://luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de i was purchased these K4 manuals, but the unfortunately they are only few chapters, they are incomplete. Edited February 5 by IIIJG52_Otto_ 1 1 http://www.jagdgeschwader52.net
IIIJG52_Otto_ Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 1/31/2025 at 12:31 PM, Reflected said: Can you tell me where I can get one? I'm happy to pay as long as I'm sure it's the version I need, that is, with the procedures. Even if we would give you the K4 operation manual, you could not do the real operational procedures,with the today FM, because you never could flight at cruise speed with neutral trim, as pilots did in wartime. By the way you can't set the elevator trim-tabs plates in "special settings" because they are deleted. 1 http://www.jagdgeschwader52.net
Tzigy Posted February 3 Posted February 3 42 minutes ago, IIIJG52_Otto_ said: Even if we would give you the K4 operation manual, you could not do the real operational procedures,with the today FM, because you never could flight at cruise speed with neutral trim, as pilots did in wartime. By the way you can't set the elevator trim-tabs plates in "special settings" because they are deleted. Huh? TM Warthog MFG TIR5 GT Omega Pro/ButKickerx1/WheelStandPro Playseat/ButKickerx2
IIIJG52_Otto_ Posted February 5 Posted February 5 On 2/4/2025 at 12:35 AM, Tzigy said: Huh? It is a very old bug, i´ve explined it here ... The elevator trim-tabs plates are blocked. why?? i don´t understand. http://www.jagdgeschwader52.net
Tzigy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) thx, I hear u; still, I don't think that will make Reflected abandon his project also, I am sure Reflected likely has the link, this is a really interesting collection of interviews and other Information (unfortunately no K4), and I wonder if some of the people mentioned/referenced could have access to the OG flight Kurfürst manuals virtualpilots.fi: 109myths Edited February 5 by Tzigy more info 4 2 TM Warthog MFG TIR5 GT Omega Pro/ButKickerx1/WheelStandPro Playseat/ButKickerx2
Reflected Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 7 hours ago, Tzigy said: thx, I hear u; still, I don't think that will make Reflected abandon his project also, I am sure Reflected likely has the link, this is a really interesting collection of interviews and other Information (unfortunately no K4), and I wonder if some of the people mentioned/referenced could have access to the OG flight Kurfürst manuals virtualpilots.fi: 109myths This is pure gold! 2 Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
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